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Saturated Fat Controversy
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy
Abaddon_ire Wrote:OK then you have a reading comprehension failure.
Unlikely. I had studied English at school for 12 years and I scored 96% at the English language part of the maturity test. What seems much more likely is that you are misreading the abstracts of the studies or are simply being dishonest.
I also don't see what that study has to do with what Michael Greger is saying about saturated fat "controversy": that studies that don't find a strong correlation between saturated fat intake and heart disease generally don't control for having test subjects who have low levels of cholesterol in blood.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:From the scientific research that you conspicuously avoid.
Again, you are claiming that there is a lot of scientific research refuting some well-known fact, but you are refusing to point to that research. That's, if you ask me, a very dishonest tactic.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:I don't eat canned fish. Why would I?
Because fresh fish is around 2 times more expensive?
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Since you are so hot on the burden of proof, how about you support your claim that antibiotics eliminate B12 from fresh meat. You have never done so.
Maybe the best answer to somebody demanding evidence for such a well-known and hardly controversial fact is: What exactly is that you doubt here? Do you doubt that B12 is produced by e. coli and other bacteria that are abundant in the intestines of cows and other grazing animals, because those bacteria are also responsible for digesting the cellulose? Do you doubt that almost all meat you can buy in supermarkets comes from factory farms? Do you doubt that animals there are regularly given antibiotics? Do you have doubts that antibiotics, along with killing the illness-causing bacteria, also kill the B12-producing bacteria (and keep in mind it's the same e. coli, that can cause death, that produces most of the B12)? Do you have doubts that, once those bacteria are killed by antibiotics, they don't produce B12 any more? Do you have doubts that, if those bacteria don't produce B12, there is little to no B12 in meat from that animal?
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Tools were in common use before the "first" humans. How is it possible that you did not know this?
My perception is that only the cranks who advocate paleo-diets claim that meat made a large proportion of the diet of the first humans. Nevertheless, I haven't really studied that issue. If you want to know if veganism is healthy, you should study nutritional science, not some distantly related and much more speculative field such as evolutionary biology.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Yup. It is a vegan myth that a golden age of human veganism ever happened.
Very few people are claiming it was a golden age. People died very young of illnesses that can be prevented with more sanitation. OK, I'd imagine Freelee the Banana Girl would say stuff like that, but that's not what most vegans believe.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:That is contrary to what vegans claim. I have no clue why you are so blissfully unaware of the tenets of the world view you espouse.
Vegans tend to be slightly more left-wing than the rest if the population, so I guess they are slightly more likely to believe the left-wing pseudosciences such as the anti-GMO movement. Not that my experience confirms that. Vegan Gains and Unnatural Vegan have made videos mocking anti-GMO movements. Bite-Size Vegan has made a few remarks against GMOs, but that was primarily directed at how genetically-modified animals suffer from some diseases, such as obesity, much more often (she also suggested that's intentional), nothing to suggest that she believes plants shouldn't be genetically modified in an attempt to eliminate carcinogens.
Those that advocate paleo-diets also tend to be left-wing, so, of course, they are also more likely to believe in anti-GMO myths.
But we need to ask ourselves, how is the anti-supplement movement different from anti-GMO movement? I am not saying all supplements are good. Some, such as calcium supplements, are known to be harmful (taking a lot of calcium but not taking enough Vitamin K doesn't lead to stronger bones, it leads to atherosclerosis, and that's one of the reasons why drinking cow's milk is associated with higher risk of heart disease in humans). But B12 supplements are known to be beneficial. So, how is being against them different from being anti-GMO? It really isn't.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Workers at tobacco farms can seek other employ.
I think that's a good analogy, because Cuba is a very poor country, so it's very hard to find another job there. Anti-sweatshops movements often lead to people whom they are supposed to help starving.
If everybody woke up one day and decided to stop smoking forever at the same time, that would cause some problems. But that's not a valid argument to continue smoking.
Similarly, the things that would happen if everybody suddenly stopped eating meat are not valid arguments for eating meat.
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Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 23, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 23, 2019 at 4:45 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Fake Messiah - October 26, 2019 at 2:15 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 26, 2019 at 7:41 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 23, 2019 at 7:02 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by EgoDeath - October 24, 2019 at 1:22 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 24, 2019 at 2:54 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 27, 2019 at 3:09 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 27, 2019 at 7:59 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 27, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Succubus - October 27, 2019 at 5:36 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 28, 2019 at 3:59 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 28, 2019 at 9:11 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 29, 2019 at 1:35 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 29, 2019 at 3:37 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Grandizer - October 29, 2019 at 8:31 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 29, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 29, 2019 at 7:50 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 29, 2019 at 7:32 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by LastPoet - October 29, 2019 at 2:21 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 30, 2019 at 10:30 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - October 31, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by LastPoet - November 1, 2019 at 12:35 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - October 31, 2019 at 7:36 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - October 31, 2019 at 7:56 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 1, 2019 at 9:55 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2019 at 10:54 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 1, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 2, 2019 at 3:45 pm
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 2, 2019 at 4:12 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 3, 2019 at 3:19 am
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 4, 2019 at 12:15 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2019 at 1:01 am
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 4, 2019 at 7:51 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 5, 2019 at 12:59 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 5, 2019 at 8:33 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 6, 2019 at 9:31 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - November 6, 2019 at 6:22 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2019 at 9:46 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 7, 2019 at 4:07 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by LastPoet - November 6, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2019 at 1:37 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by LastPoet - November 6, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 6, 2019 at 1:50 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2019 at 9:55 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 7, 2019 at 12:09 pm
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 7, 2019 at 4:07 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 7, 2019 at 4:35 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 8, 2019 at 3:30 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 8, 2019 at 8:36 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 9, 2019 at 6:24 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2019 at 10:21 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 9, 2019 at 2:39 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by I_am_not_mafia - November 10, 2019 at 7:18 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 12, 2019 at 5:45 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - November 12, 2019 at 10:22 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 12, 2019 at 12:50 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 13, 2019 at 4:52 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 9:12 am
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 13, 2019 at 12:54 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 14, 2019 at 1:08 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 1:11 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 14, 2019 at 1:45 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2019 at 2:09 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 14, 2019 at 3:04 am
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 15, 2019 at 2:59 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2019 at 6:36 am
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 19, 2019 at 1:00 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 19, 2019 at 1:02 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 19, 2019 at 1:39 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - November 19, 2019 at 7:49 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 19, 2019 at 9:23 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 19, 2019 at 12:10 pm
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 19, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 20, 2019 at 4:44 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 8:47 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 20, 2019 at 10:36 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - November 20, 2019 at 5:32 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 10:52 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 6:43 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 21, 2019 at 1:05 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 21, 2019 at 9:17 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 21, 2019 at 10:01 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by LastPoet - November 21, 2019 at 10:36 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 21, 2019 at 12:30 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 21, 2019 at 2:37 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - November 23, 2019 at 3:57 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by The Grand Nudger - November 21, 2019 at 2:38 pm
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 22, 2019 at 3:14 am
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by LastPoet - November 25, 2019 at 1:12 pm
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RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by Abaddon_ire - November 26, 2019 at 6:50 am
RE: Saturated Fat Controversy - by FlatAssembler - November 26, 2019 at 7:25 am
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