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Being cannot come from Non-being
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RE: Being cannot come from Non-being
November 20, 2019 at 6:33 pm
(November 20, 2019 at 5:52 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(November 20, 2019 at 5:20 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Otangelo, two questions.

1. You claim that everything that exists must have a beginning. Is that correct?

2. You claim that god exists. Is that correct?

I'll save his trouble, god is special, it always existed Big Grin

Meh heard this canard so many times....

Yep, special pleading fallacy. It is a rather tired old argument. Premise 1 of the Kalam used to be that everything that exists has a cause. When it was pointed out that this therefore implies that if a god exists, then he/she/it/housecat must also have a cause, no? And thus was born the modified Kalam argument. Let the special pleading commence. What annoys is that no justification is proffered, merely excuses.
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Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 12:01 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2019 at 12:07 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 12:24 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 12:25 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Brian37 - November 21, 2019 at 9:27 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 12:10 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Deesse23 - November 20, 2019 at 12:16 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 20, 2019 at 12:19 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 12:25 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 12:27 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Huggy Bear - January 1, 2020 at 5:01 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Paleophyte - January 1, 2020 at 5:35 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Huggy Bear - January 1, 2020 at 5:48 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by brewer - January 1, 2020 at 6:43 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Paleophyte - January 1, 2020 at 8:13 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Peebo-Thuhlu - January 1, 2020 at 5:59 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LadyForCamus - January 1, 2020 at 7:14 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Nay_Sayer - January 1, 2020 at 7:19 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LadyForCamus - January 1, 2020 at 7:23 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Huggy Bear - January 1, 2020 at 10:29 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Succubus - January 1, 2020 at 7:20 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 12:32 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by no one - November 20, 2019 at 12:47 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 12:47 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 20, 2019 at 12:58 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 21, 2019 at 8:41 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Sal - November 20, 2019 at 1:21 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by EgoDeath - November 20, 2019 at 1:21 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Peebo-Thuhlu - November 20, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 20, 2019 at 1:47 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 1:51 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Sal - November 20, 2019 at 1:56 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 2:00 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 2:07 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 2:11 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2019 at 2:13 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 2:16 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Succubus - November 20, 2019 at 2:19 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 2:31 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 2:20 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 2:23 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 20, 2019 at 2:28 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 20, 2019 at 2:34 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 2:50 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Succubus - November 20, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2019 at 3:01 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2019 at 3:04 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Fake Messiah - November 20, 2019 at 3:10 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 2:52 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 20, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 3:02 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by downbeatplumb - November 20, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 3:03 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 20, 2019 at 3:04 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by brewer - November 20, 2019 at 3:26 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - November 20, 2019 at 3:43 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Peebo-Thuhlu - November 20, 2019 at 4:07 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by zebo-the-fat - November 20, 2019 at 4:54 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Abaddon_ire - November 20, 2019 at 5:20 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - November 20, 2019 at 5:52 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Abaddon_ire - November 20, 2019 at 6:33 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Valkyrie - November 20, 2019 at 6:54 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Chad32 - November 20, 2019 at 6:46 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by chimp3 - November 20, 2019 at 8:10 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 20, 2019 at 8:13 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by mordant - November 20, 2019 at 11:32 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Nay_Sayer - November 20, 2019 at 11:53 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - November 21, 2019 at 8:29 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 21, 2019 at 9:08 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Nay_Sayer - November 21, 2019 at 12:49 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by downbeatplumb - November 21, 2019 at 3:21 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - December 14, 2019 at 7:02 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Mr.wizard - December 14, 2019 at 11:13 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by downbeatplumb - November 21, 2019 at 3:21 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 8:34 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 9:03 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 9:19 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 21, 2019 at 9:58 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Mister Agenda - November 21, 2019 at 11:04 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 21, 2019 at 11:16 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 11:49 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 21, 2019 at 12:38 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 12:40 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 21, 2019 at 12:48 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 3:14 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 1:21 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - November 21, 2019 at 1:45 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Pat Mustard - November 21, 2019 at 5:54 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Abaddon_ire - November 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - November 23, 2019 at 12:35 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Alex K - November 23, 2019 at 1:31 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - November 23, 2019 at 1:39 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - November 21, 2019 at 6:39 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by SteelCurtain - November 22, 2019 at 7:58 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - December 14, 2019 at 6:12 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 14, 2019 at 6:24 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Mr.wizard - December 14, 2019 at 9:21 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - December 14, 2019 at 9:57 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - December 15, 2019 at 7:05 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Abaddon_ire - December 15, 2019 at 10:02 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Mr.wizard - December 15, 2019 at 1:39 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Paleophyte - December 15, 2019 at 8:24 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Otangelo - December 24, 2019 at 8:31 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Paleophyte - December 24, 2019 at 9:08 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Abaddon_ire - December 24, 2019 at 10:09 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Architect Of Fate - December 24, 2019 at 10:15 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Paleophyte - December 24, 2019 at 10:44 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Deesse23 - December 25, 2019 at 3:59 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Belacqua - December 25, 2019 at 4:42 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Pat Mustard - December 25, 2019 at 6:06 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by downbeatplumb - December 26, 2019 at 6:52 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 26, 2019 at 7:16 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 14, 2019 at 7:51 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Architect Of Fate - December 14, 2019 at 10:06 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2019 at 7:15 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2019 at 7:24 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 15, 2019 at 7:43 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Peebo-Thuhlu - December 15, 2019 at 5:23 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by no one - December 24, 2019 at 10:06 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - December 25, 2019 at 6:40 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Deesse23 - December 25, 2019 at 2:14 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Succubus - December 26, 2019 at 11:48 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - December 26, 2019 at 12:31 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 1, 2020 at 5:12 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 1, 2020 at 8:38 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Huggy Bear - January 3, 2020 at 1:13 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Paleophyte - January 1, 2020 at 10:02 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - January 1, 2020 at 10:25 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 2, 2020 at 3:58 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Deesse23 - January 2, 2020 at 2:50 am
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Peebo-Thuhlu - January 2, 2020 at 3:22 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Huggy Bear - January 3, 2020 at 2:05 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - January 2, 2020 at 1:07 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2020 at 2:10 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Huggy Bear - January 3, 2020 at 2:23 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - January 3, 2020 at 2:29 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by LastPoet - January 4, 2020 at 10:52 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by Haipule - January 4, 2020 at 11:22 pm
RE: Being cannot come from Non-being - by The Grand Nudger - January 7, 2020 at 7:08 am

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