Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: October 17, 2025, 2:09 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Can too much respect be bad?
#35
RE: Can too much respect be bad?
You're comparing troughs and peaks on a two axis graph of moral desert, between action and respect. If the ideas that you're expressing can be formalized into a moral geometry - then they probably aren't separate spheres of work.

When we say that a person deserves respect for x we have already laid into a moral claim. When we assess whether or not they got less, exactly, or more than they deserved for that x, we are making an elaborate moral claim. When we assign modifiers to that x that would, acts being equal, change a persons position on the desert axis, we are making an even more elaborate moral claim.

You work harder for people you respect. You're more conscious of how you use their time. You're more earnest. If it's a mutual respect - you feel that a sort of mutual defense pact is warranted. You think that a soldier deserves respect, but maybe not as much respect as some of them get. All of these things are explicitly contextualized in your comments as issues of moral desert. What's interesting, is how profoundly you can alter those moral calculations by altering their implicit premises. All things being equal, is it best to get exactly what you deserve, better than what you deserve, or less (for any given x)? The answer to that determines where the peaks and valleys on your desert graph will fall - the places where there's a disparity between what a person got and what they deserved to get. We use different metrics for different circumstances.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Can too much respect be bad? - by Fake Messiah - November 15, 2019 at 11:58 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Chad32 - November 15, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by brewer - November 15, 2019 at 3:37 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Belacqua - November 15, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 15, 2019 at 4:56 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2019 at 5:01 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Belacqua - November 15, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by redpill - November 15, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by LastPoet - November 16, 2019 at 2:28 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Industrial Atheist - November 15, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Abaddon_ire - November 16, 2019 at 2:59 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by ThinkingIsThinking - December 4, 2019 at 5:54 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Succubus - December 4, 2019 at 6:39 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Mister Agenda - December 4, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 4, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 4, 2019 at 1:50 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Fake Messiah - December 4, 2019 at 4:15 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 5, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 5, 2019 at 7:27 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 4, 2019 at 2:27 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Valkyrie - December 4, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 4, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 6, 2019 at 11:50 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 6, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 9, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 9, 2019 at 5:34 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Shell B - December 6, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by AFTT47 - December 7, 2019 at 2:49 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by LastPoet - December 7, 2019 at 7:14 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by onlinebiker - December 7, 2019 at 10:15 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Rev. Rye - December 8, 2019 at 1:18 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 11, 2019 at 10:23 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 11, 2019 at 11:05 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2019 at 10:37 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 11, 2019 at 11:05 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 11, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by no one - December 11, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2019 at 1:23 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by LastPoet - December 11, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 12, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 12, 2019 at 11:52 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 14, 2019 at 10:12 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2019 at 4:22 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 16, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by mordant - December 20, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by roofinggiant - January 14, 2020 at 11:28 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Understanding the rudiment has much to give helps free that mind for further work. highdimensionman 16 2685 May 24, 2022 at 6:31 am
Last Post: highdimensionman
  Technology, Good or Bad Overall? ColdComfort 41 9596 July 7, 2019 at 1:02 pm
Last Post: Chad32
  Best response to "You are being too bookish and nerdy!"? FlatAssembler 25 4999 April 5, 2018 at 5:39 pm
Last Post: *Deidre*
  Emotions are intrinsically good and bad Transcended Dimensions 713 169218 February 25, 2018 at 11:32 pm
Last Post: bennyboy
  Name one objectively bad person ErGingerbreadMandude 57 19400 October 16, 2017 at 3:47 am
Last Post: Ignorant
  So how much should we concern ourselves with morality? How much is enough? Whateverist 9 2466 July 16, 2017 at 10:48 pm
Last Post: Whateverist
  Is there a logical, rational reason why hate is bad? WisdomOfTheTrees 27 6095 February 4, 2017 at 10:43 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Is developing a strong habit of philosophizing bad for your social skills? Edwardo Piet 31 6418 May 25, 2016 at 8:22 am
Last Post: Gemini
Smile a bad person Sappho 30 7786 December 8, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Last Post: Neo-Scholastic
  The bad guy Marsellus Wallace 18 7338 July 28, 2015 at 8:15 am
Last Post: Marsellus Wallace



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)