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Can too much respect be bad?
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RE: Can too much respect be bad?
Deontology encompasses duty and obligation, the sort that we both feel when confronted with a respectful person, or person we respect. That ties in with our (likely) mutual understanding ofrespect. The hypothetical value neutrality of desert isn't an issue of whether or not the moral field is different (because of different moral values, whatever that's taken to mean and if..and only if, they actually exist between subjects to compare)- but whether the same patterns of desert can, broadly, be identified in any moral field. If certain features of any landscape indicate the presence or suggest the course of water, to use an intuitively satisfying equivocation. It doesn't matter whether the values of our field are desert values, alpine values, lowland hardwood hammock, etc etc etc. If there's some underlying calculus that can compellingly describe and predict human opinions of the disparity between desert and outcomes - then that calculus can be used with any range of moral values. This is all that's meant to be expressed or taken by the use of the term value neutrality in context. I'm willing to bet five bucks that we actually agree, here.

I think that the common definition of respect is serviceable. Assigning value to and expressing due regard for a person; their qualities, abilities, and achievements. Same as you described. I may not assign the same values that you do. For example...I don't think that joining for a paycheck is a modifying criteria. All professional soldiers join for a paycheck, and it's not clear why a profit motive is disqualifying in any context. Still, I do think that joining holds a value, and I do hold a concept of modifying criteria that can decrease "due regard" for any act of value (and a complimentary one that can increase it). We may not agree on the exact specifications of "the wrong reasons" but we agree that there's a general shape of wrong reason™ at play, which modifies our sense of obligation towards that person.

Something interesting about our shared position, is the implicit claim that equality is not a uniform good. Two people did the same thing, we have equality of act...and yet both of us contend (or at least can contend) that any outcome that leads to them both enjoying the same level of respect, equality of outcome, is a sub-optimal product.
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Can too much respect be bad? - by Fake Messiah - November 15, 2019 at 11:58 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Chad32 - November 15, 2019 at 1:34 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by brewer - November 15, 2019 at 3:37 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Belacqua - November 15, 2019 at 4:49 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 15, 2019 at 4:56 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2019 at 5:01 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Belacqua - November 15, 2019 at 5:43 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Anomalocaris - November 15, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by redpill - November 15, 2019 at 8:20 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by LastPoet - November 16, 2019 at 2:28 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Industrial Atheist - November 15, 2019 at 9:51 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Abaddon_ire - November 16, 2019 at 2:59 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by ThinkingIsThinking - December 4, 2019 at 5:54 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Succubus - December 4, 2019 at 6:39 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Mister Agenda - December 4, 2019 at 11:29 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 4, 2019 at 11:47 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 4, 2019 at 1:50 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Fake Messiah - December 4, 2019 at 4:15 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 5, 2019 at 5:07 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 5, 2019 at 7:27 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 4, 2019 at 2:27 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Valkyrie - December 4, 2019 at 3:00 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 4, 2019 at 5:53 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 6, 2019 at 11:50 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 6, 2019 at 6:28 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 9, 2019 at 12:08 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 9, 2019 at 5:34 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Shell B - December 6, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by AFTT47 - December 7, 2019 at 2:49 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by LastPoet - December 7, 2019 at 7:14 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by onlinebiker - December 7, 2019 at 10:15 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by Rev. Rye - December 8, 2019 at 1:18 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 11, 2019 at 10:23 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 11, 2019 at 11:05 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2019 at 10:37 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 11, 2019 at 11:05 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2019 at 11:14 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 11, 2019 at 12:14 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by no one - December 11, 2019 at 12:37 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 11, 2019 at 1:23 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by LastPoet - December 11, 2019 at 1:58 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 12, 2019 at 11:08 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by EgoDeath - December 12, 2019 at 11:52 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 12, 2019 at 12:42 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 14, 2019 at 10:12 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by The Grand Nudger - December 15, 2019 at 4:22 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by tackattack - December 16, 2019 at 11:22 am
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by mordant - December 20, 2019 at 1:41 pm
RE: Can too much respect be bad? - by roofinggiant - January 14, 2020 at 11:28 am

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