RE: Trying close to my best to rationalize Christianity
January 15, 2020 at 7:35 pm
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Yes, we can all acknowledge it is a speculation.
OK, you are engaged in speculation. No evidence expected.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: There is a certain ''want'' in people to make a humanoid more than something else, we are trying to do that for quite a while and seems that a person's replica is what we are aiming for in this business.
There is? Please provide some evidence.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: As said before, we could understand it better if we look at our civilization in the seat of a creator.
Nope. We have no need of some arbitrary "creator". Why would we?
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: We are not perfect and none of our creations are quite perfect as well,
Nobody claimed perfection on behalf of anything. Except some imaginary god, and that holds no water.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: but we are in a way all mighty to our creations, same would go for our creators.
False. Even if we created AI of some sort, nobody is claiming to be perfect. Except for the imaginary "god".
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: It is another speculation or theory, but there are verses where God refers to himself as ''we'', no scholars have really agreed as to why is it so, but most believe it is not Holy Trinity and the royal ''we'' seems just as even shadier speculation. Old testament also has interesting parts of God speaking to Abraham I think in a form of two young men, who were referred to as ''God'', not angels.
Nope. It is rather clear that jahweh is an inherited deity from a pantheon of many rival gods. Difficult to concieve that you know anything much about it if you are unaware of the history.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Of course we would set up rules to AI, otherwise we would compare with them in many cases. Humans wouldn't do that.
Wait. "Of course we would set up rules for AI but humans wouldn't do that"? That is incoherent.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: If you switch off what you have built, what would be the point of it? It must run and be developed until it is done, not bail on first glitch, no?
So if, for example, my cooker developed a short circuit fault, I should not disconnect it, rather, I should let it burn down my home just to see how it turns out. That is your suggestion. Really?
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Every creation has it's flaws.
Demonstrate that.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: You are looking at AI as we are capable of making, not as a civilization far more advanced would.
You have no means to determine what ANY civilisation may or may not do. You are simply making things up out of whole cloth. You have no reason tho think that an advanced civilisation would not consider us vermin to be exterminated.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Different problems and different gains. (you know, even hard drives can fuck up over time and should be formatted because of trash left from data over time in a seemingly straight forward and full proof system. Look at our computers and think about all the glitches and lags we have there even in mechanics as simple as they have. Now imagine it 10 000 times more complex).
What a load of crap.I make my living out of designing robust systems. You have no clue.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: We torture animals and even other people for stupider reasons. To torture AI for the reason to develop it and make it better makes sense.
What? Torture is bad so to fix it let's have more torture? Are you fucking serious?
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Bible God does things he regrets, like the big flood. He corrected himself by attempting to not destroy corrupt civilizations in such manner. He made people live shorter lives, he made updates in New testament and what not. He changes his mind and tactics.
So bible god is a shoddy non-god. ~OK.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: He has tried a lot on us to see what works, and not much has, but of course he has been brutal to us so that we understand his might.
So you god is a bumbling fool. Nice.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Quite simple, there is one that is the most important - love your neighbor and God as yourself. After that follows the Ten ones. If you can't follow the first to follow some other, it is wrong action.
False. Clearly, you have not read your magic book. There are some 613 commandments. Of which, jebus, in the NT endorsed 5 explicitly, and all 613 implicitly. Plus two that were never part of god's commands but shamelessly swiped from elsewhere. Your god is a plagiarist.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: No, the three propositions are quite rational, you should check out the subject, it is quite thought provoking.
Not really. Thoughts and ramblings of primitive goatherders are not relevant to anything.
(January 15, 2020 at 10:32 am)sausagerock Wrote: Thanks for input so far!
You may regret that. I have little time for anyone who worships a deity that they flat out state is an idiot as you have done.