My close encounter with a Facebook xtian

[Cyberman]

Just recently I seem to have inadvertantly sparked a little feud over a comment I left on this Facebook picture:



I recycled an idea that I'm sure I used hereabouts at some point, namely

According to the mythology, Hell is supposed to be a place created by Yahweh deep under the Earth. The deepest you can get would be the planet core, made of iron. Which, coincidentally, Yahweh is powerless against. And this idiot is meant to be in charge of the Universe? I wouldn't trust it in charge of a bottle of piss.

It's just absird to me that Yahweh not only creates this impenetrable fortress made from the one thing it's powerless against, but also installs its mortal enemy in this realm and then spends the rest of eternity stocking it with what is essentially an ever-growing army of 'evil' and embittered souls. It'd be like if we'd set Osama bin Laden up on an island rich in plutonium and uranium deosits and then kept banishing all those terror suspects and extremist clerics to it. Not exactly the brightest bulb in the ideas box.

Anyway, as well as attracting nineteen upthumbs and a reply saying "[Stimbo], thanks for that. I'd never really seen that angle!", I also attracted this little rehashed nugget:

Totally false [Stimbo]. Hell is a spiritual place of torment and the absence of God.

I know. Yawn.

So being rather spoiled for choice on the angles to take, I went with:

Then, [name], you have created your own mythology. Congratulations; keep that up and pretty soon you'll have divorced yourself from the tyranny of xtian dogma altogether.

As for the "absence of god" thing, I already exist quite happily without the need for any god anyway. So the absence of something already absent is hardly a threat to me.

So far that's it; whether this lady bothers to follow up her remark remains to be seen of course. I know this hardly even rates as small potatoes as these things go. If I get a chance I'd like to go in sort of the direction of "God sends people to hell primarily for the unpardonable sin of not being gullible enough to blindly accept the least credible authorities" or words to that effect. Still early days but any comments/suggestions would be useful.

[FallentoReason]

I always find that "in the real world" people seem to live under a rock. Their arguments and train-of-thought are very inconsistent and irritating to have to deal with.

I remember last semester at uni when I was still a closet non-believer, I was sitting at the cafeteria with two Christian friends and the uni "pastor" who runs a weekly Christian meeting for anyone interested. One of my friends was having a hard time understanding why some people don't believe in Noah's flood: "Noah would have easily been able to build an ark big enough for all the animals, right? I mean it wouldn't have been that hard!" The amount of assumptions they subconsciously grant themselves just makes my head spin. This is why after my first 300+ comment debate on Facebook I promised myself never to speak my mind to the same depth that I do on here, because people aren't trained in basic logical fallacies, they haven't been exposed to fundamental issues of both sides... basically they simply aren't "mature" enough in the theist/atheist debate to efficiently debate like people on here do.

[Drich]

Just recently I seem to have inadvertantly sparked a little feud over a comment I left on this Facebook picture:



I recycled an idea that I'm sure I used hereabouts at some point, namely

According to the mythology, Hell is supposed to be a place created by Yahweh deep under the Earth. The deepest you can get would be the planet core, made of iron. Which, coincidentally, Yahweh is powerless against. And this idiot is meant to be in charge of the Universe? I wouldn't trust it in charge of a bottle of piss.

It's just absird to me that Yahweh not only creates this impenetrable fortress made from the one thing it's powerless against, but also installs its mortal enemy in this realm and then spends the rest of eternity stocking it with what is essentially an ever-growing army of 'evil' and embittered souls. It'd be like if we'd set Osama bin Laden up on an island rich in plutonium and uranium deosits and then kept banishing all those terror suspects and extremist clerics to it. Not exactly the brightest bulb in the ideas box.

Anyway, as well as attracting nineteen upthumbs and a reply saying "[Stimbo], thanks for that. I'd never really seen that angle!", I also attracted this little rehashed nugget:

Totally false [Stimbo]. Hell is a spiritual place of torment and the absence of God.

I know. Yawn.

So being rather spoiled for choice on the angles to take, I went with:

Then, [name], you have created your own mythology. Congratulations; keep that up and pretty soon you'll have divorced yourself from the tyranny of xtian dogma altogether.

As for the "absence of god" thing, I already exist quite happily without the need for any god anyway. So the absence of something already absent is hardly a threat to me.

So far that's it; whether this lady bothers to follow up her remark remains to be seen of course. I know this hardly even rates as small potatoes as these things go. If I get a chance I'd like to go in sort of the direction of "God sends people to hell primarily for the unpardonable sin of not being gullible enough to blindly accept the least credible authorities" or words to that effect. Still early days but any comments/suggestions would be useful.

What if she askes you to provide Book Chapter and verse for you to proove your interpertation of the "orginal mythology?"

[Mystic]

I think it's how you talk with people that can change their mind the most. I am having a conversation with a Christian on a regular basis, and it seems, we are making progress.

We discussed moral perception vs following authority/trust of authority. We are good friends. We do it with respect and not mockery. I listen to his arguments and show where I think he went wrong.

A lot of Christians are humble and have respect and will listen to reason if you don't talk down their beliefs in a condescending manner.

[justin]

Just recently I seem to have inadvertantly sparked a little feud over a comment I left on this Facebook picture:



I recycled an idea that I'm sure I used hereabouts at some point, namely

According to the mythology, Hell is supposed to be a place created by Yahweh deep under the Earth. The deepest you can get would be the planet core, made of iron. Which, coincidentally, Yahweh is powerless against. And this idiot is meant to be in charge of the Universe? I wouldn't trust it in charge of a bottle of piss.

It's just absird to me that Yahweh not only creates this impenetrable fortress made from the one thing it's powerless against, but also installs its mortal enemy in this realm and then spends the rest of eternity stocking it with what is essentially an ever-growing army of 'evil' and embittered souls. It'd be like if we'd set Osama bin Laden up on an island rich in plutonium and uranium deosits and then kept banishing all those terror suspects and extremist clerics to it. Not exactly the brightest bulb in the ideas box.

Anyway, as well as attracting nineteen upthumbs and a reply saying "[Stimbo], thanks for that. I'd never really seen that angle!", I also attracted this little rehashed nugget:

Totally false [Stimbo]. Hell is a spiritual place of torment and the absence of God.

I know. Yawn.

So being rather spoiled for choice on the angles to take, I went with:

Then, [name], you have created your own mythology. Congratulations; keep that up and pretty soon you'll have divorced yourself from the tyranny of xtian dogma altogether.

As for the "absence of god" thing, I already exist quite happily without the need for any god anyway. So the absence of something already absent is hardly a threat to me.

So far that's it; whether this lady bothers to follow up her remark remains to be seen of course. I know this hardly even rates as small potatoes as these things go. If I get a chance I'd like to go in sort of the direction of "God sends people to hell primarily for the unpardonable sin of not being gullible enough to blindly accept the least credible authorities" or words to that effect. Still early days but any comments/suggestions would be useful.

just start using bible verses really. but they`ll still get more butthurt probably and start the disrespectful rant. good luck i had a problem on FB a while back and boy was she incoherent.

[ronedee]

The thing is that "some" atheists try to push up front the worst example they can find as a christian representative, to prove a point. Not that there's a lack of goofy candidates....but!

...as an example:

It kind of reminds me of when that ex-catholic priest from the mid west....Porter I think his name was got busted for molesting a hundred kids or more...including his own!

My fellow workers were all standing around joking and cussing about Porter, and one pipes-up and says:" Now, that's why I don't go to church." And the rest start nodding in agreement! So, I get mad and say: "why not use any excuse for not going to church? Or is this just a handy one for you?" crickets

My feeling is, if you have a good argument lets have at it! Leave the dog and pony show for entertainment. I can laugh, and/or complain about the gaffs in my religion......Why mix an argument with the show? It seems immature and divisive.

[Esquilax]

What if she askes you to provide Book Chapter and verse for you to proove your interpertation of the "orginal mythology?"

You are now saying that the bible is not a good representation of christianity.

Every part of you brings me closer and closer to a full on rage stroke.

[Tartarus Sauce]

What if she askes you to provide Book Chapter and verse for you to proove your interpertation of the "orginal mythology?"

You are now saying that the bible is not a good representation of christianity.

Every part of you brings me closer and closer to a full on rage stroke.

Is there really such a thing though? After all, the best representative of Christianity happened to be Jewish.

[Esquilax]

You are now saying that the bible is not a good representation of christianity.

Every part of you brings me closer and closer to a full on rage stroke.

Is there really such a thing though? After all, the best representative of Christianity happened to be Jewish.

Eh, what do you expect? Their god's an atheist.

[Drich]

What if she askes you to provide Book Chapter and verse for you to proove your interpertation of the "orginal mythology?"

You are now saying that the bible is not a good representation of christianity.

Every part of you brings me closer and closer to a full on rage stroke.

If I said that then why would I ask for book chapter and verse???