[Serious] Trying close to my best to rationalize Christianity

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Yes, we can all acknowledge it is a speculation.

OK, you are engaged in speculation. No evidence expected.

There is a certain ''want'' in people to make a humanoid more than something else, we are trying to do that for quite a while and seems that a person's replica is what we are aiming for in this business.

There is? Please provide some evidence.

As said before, we could understand it better if we look at our civilization in the seat of a creator.

Nope. We have no need of some arbitrary "creator". Why would we?

We are not perfect and none of our creations are quite perfect as well,

Nobody claimed perfection on behalf of anything. Except some imaginary god, and that holds no water.

but we are in a way all mighty to our creations, same would go for our creators.

False. Even if we created AI of some sort, nobody is claiming to be perfect. Except for the imaginary "god".

It is another speculation or theory, but there are verses where God refers to himself as ''we'', no scholars have really agreed as to why is it so, but most believe it is not Holy Trinity and the royal ''we'' seems just as even shadier speculation. Old testament also has interesting parts of God speaking to Abraham I think in a form of two young men, who were referred to as ''God'', not angels.

Nope. It is rather clear that jahweh is an inherited deity from a pantheon of many rival gods. Difficult to concieve that you know anything much about it if you are unaware of the history.

Of course we would set up rules to AI, otherwise we would compare with them in many cases. Humans wouldn't do that.

Wait. "Of course we would set up rules for AI but humans wouldn't do that"? That is incoherent.

If you switch off what you have built, what would be the point of it? It must run and be developed until it is done, not bail on first glitch, no?

So if, for example, my cooker developed a short circuit fault, I should not disconnect it, rather, I should let it burn down my home just to see how it turns out. That is your suggestion. Really?

Every creation has it's flaws.

Demonstrate that.

You are looking at AI as we are capable of making, not as a civilization far more advanced would.

You have no means to determine what ANY civilisation may or may not do. You are simply making things up out of whole cloth. You have no reason tho think that an advanced civilisation would not consider us vermin to be exterminated.

Different problems and different gains. (you know, even hard drives can fuck up over time and should be formatted because of trash left from data over time in a seemingly straight forward and full proof system. Look at our computers and think about all the glitches and lags we have there even in mechanics as simple as they have. Now imagine it 10 000 times more complex).

What a load of crap.I make my living out of designing robust systems. You have no clue.

We torture animals and even other people for stupider reasons. To torture AI for the reason to develop it and make it better makes sense.

What? Torture is bad so to fix it let's have more torture? Are you fucking serious?

Bible God does things he regrets, like the big flood. He corrected himself by attempting to not destroy corrupt civilizations in such manner. He made people live shorter lives, he made updates in New testament and what not. He changes his mind and tactics.

So bible god is a shoddy non-god. ~OK.

He has tried a lot on us to see what works, and not much has, but of course he has been brutal to us so that we understand his might.

So you god is a bumbling fool. Nice.

Quite simple, there is one that is the most important - love your neighbor and God as yourself. After that follows the Ten ones. If you can't follow the first to follow some other, it is wrong action.

False. Clearly, you have not read your magic book. There are some 613 commandments. Of which, jebus, in the NT endorsed 5 explicitly, and all 613 implicitly. Plus two that were never part of god's commands but shamelessly swiped from elsewhere. Your god is a plagiarist.

No, the three propositions are quite rational, you should check out the subject, it is quite thought provoking.

Not really. Thoughts and ramblings of primitive goatherders are not relevant to anything.

Thanks for input so far!

You may regret that. I have little time for anyone who worships a deity that they flat out state is an idiot as you have done.

Ah, damn! I had good faith in discussion we started but then you slipped away from philosophy and started to, well, be certain and prioritize responding, not understanding.


Really, nothing about the idea of AI from the very beginning of it seems to almost always resemble something from human?

Really, you just skip my point of perfection being relative and counter something that is off topic?

No, there would be nothing really to say that God can't be a civilization. It is easier for us to understand most certainly and quite clever thing to do if we're exiled, not so much for us to overthink.

..."Of course we would set up rules to AI, otherwise we would compare with them in many cases. Humans wouldn't do that." yes, not the best grammar I used but over here you conviced me that you have no intention to try this understanding from the very deep of your mind and to look at my theory unbiased, shit, I was so happy at first!

And then again you go off topic or just somewhat ignorant, if our new built machine fucks up, we don't abandon it, we try to fix it. How do you imagine fixing a consciousness with it being turned off?

And then you need proof that our creations have flaws...

..and then you keep on just cooking arguments...

But here you even do find my relative perfection (or that nothing is prefect) argument but still ignore it at previous one of my quote responses.

And stumble upon my idea that struggles of our creators might be similar to ours for the second time and don't really grasp it, seems?

And no, *sigh* there is the Great Commandment clearly said "37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” so clear, man, so clear!

But I understand that not everyone wants to challenge their thoughts, not everyone actually respects philosophy and unbiased opinions.

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Sorry guys, I'm a bit struggling with quote and reply mechanics stiil getting the hang of it slowly!