RE: Trying close to my best to rationalize Christianity
January 15, 2020 at 8:21 pm
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2020 at 8:21 pm by sausagerock.)
(January 15, 2020 at 2:42 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Trying to rationalize the irrational...
Yeah, seems like a ridiculous (one might even say, an irrational) undertaking. And no, your OP didn't even get close to your stated goal.
Christian theology has an omni-max god, creating the universe (all 200 billion galaxies, each with 100+ billion stars, and most of those with an uncountable number of planets), to act as a 'soul filtering machine'© for a small number of hairless apes, on one specific planet in a nondescript corner of the Milky Way.
As long as we're speculating, what plans did this god have for the other advanced civilizations (that most likely actually exist (unlike your god) somewhere in the universe)? Did the same "Passion Play" play out all over the universe?
Then, this god, knowing that humanity would one day develop the scientific method, and understand what good standards of evidence are, decides to communicate with his creation in the worst method possible. Appears to a mostly illiterate tribe in a very small geographical area on Earth, then waits decades or centuries to have his fallible creation record his message: in languages he would know would die out, filled with translation errors, with no originals available, by non-eyewitnesses, with no corroborating evidence of accounts, stories that directly contradict reality, etc, etc.
He sets up a situation with Adam and Eve, where they are certain to fail, then because of his own screw up, he punishes his creation for eternity. But wait, he waits a few centuries, then sets up another situation where he comes to earth, to have himself sacrificed to himself, to act as a loophole for rules he created. And the only way for his creation to prevent their own eternal punishment, is to be gullible enough to believe all this.
Sorry, but there is no way to rationalize Christianity.
Biggest problem with AI is going to be figuring out whether they work fine or not to rule out a possibility of them manipulating us. That's a tough task and we don't have even a close idea as to how that might work.
Uh, you didn't really comment my post so much as laid out your view of Christianity.
Comment on YOUR ideas I will, though I see that I must repeat myself a bit...
As I keep explaining, which is actually very obvious reading Bible, God's (or the higher creator-people) power isn't as omni-max as many are naively thinking for some reason. It is clear that humans they created were not perfect and that methods they tried were not perfect either. Their power is pretty mighty in relation to us though. If they created us then basically they can manipulate unimaginable things, as this might be just a simulation on maybe some sort of a computer. Imagine this simulation being run by us for it to make sense.
ET hypothesis, no matter how likely that might seem, has less ground to stand on for there is factually nothing at all that a larger group of people have agreed on experiencing. Saying that ET is more likely to exist than God requires some logical arguments, taking in account what information we have on both topics. I don't rule out ET though, I think that this universe can hold multiple simulations from higher civilizations.
So, about why he wasn't just always around. As creators were dealing with an AI, they had to make a system that is absolutely convincing in the end whether this AI will hold you for authority and trust you completely or not. Bible shows a way that would work quite convincingly. If under these circumstances and options we can take in our life still believe that the ones our creators gave us are the best, we most certainly are thinking similarly like them and would be cool to live among them. More points also because we have to trust that quite a bit, takes effort.
Again, they did not really expect them to fail, the rest of your argument seems like just not taking in account my original one, sorry
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