RE: Plantinga's "Free Will" defense contradicts Christianity
February 8, 2020 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2020 at 4:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 8, 2020 at 4:17 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(February 8, 2020 at 4:02 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Plantinga feels that god would be morally obligated to create a better world, if it were in his power. Plantinga contends that it isn't within gods power.
That's theologians for you - always going about telling God what to do.
Boru
edit: Physicists too, come to think of it.
OFC. All theology is an attempt to put boundary conditions on the divine. Within the context of plantingas christian god there would be a logical contradiction unless some caveat of necessity discharged the moral responsibilities god has by virtue of his nature.
Or, in simpler terms.....god would be logically inconsistent with itself - shorthand for nonexistent in rational theology. Hence, the necessity of theodicy and defense.
For you, John, putting the "we don;t know" pin in it doesn't solve the problem. We may not know, but god does. He's omniscient.
God would know of every possible way to improve the situation, and because he;s omnipotent, he would have the ability to effect any possible solution to the situation, and because he's omni benevolent, he would have every interest and compulsion to improve the situation.
The fact that evil exists, if the omni attributes are true, logically entails that there simply is no solution to this problem. No way to improve the situation. OFC, none of us believes this, or we wouldn't seek to improve anything about this world, or our lives. I mentioned as much a few pages back. We know that just because a person can freely will to murder, that doesn't mean that anyone has to get murdered. We try to stop that, the consequence, the natural evil that plantingas defense seeks to omit from the moral calculus. We do, often enough, so obviously this situation can be improved...and we don't have an ounce of omnigods ability. This is a problem for that view of god and any commensurate view of god.
There's an easier resolution to the dilemma, ofc. One that doesn't take tying our scrotums into pretzels. People got the omni shit wrong. That's what plantinga is saying, boiled down to it's essence, anyway.
That "omni" aint all it's cracked up to be.
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