(February 5, 2020 at 4:33 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Oh, I don't know...Asked and answered int he video in God answers all prayer in the afirmitive.
The law of parsimony and occam's razor seems to cover it. Or another way to put it, entities should not be multiplied without necessity.
In other words, why should we even bother positing a god that is not answering prayers (for any post hoc justification you come up with in your video), than a much greater chance that there is no prayer answering god in the first place.
However 98% of the efforts made in the name of prayer isn't prayer as defined by Christ.
Quote:You might as well be making a video on, "Why your lucky amulets often, if not always fail to work".indeed if real amulets worked, and 08% of what was called an amulet wasn't real.
Quote:You still don't seem to get the use and the reliability of: rational thinking, skepticism, and valid and sound logic.AKA if I have come to a different conclusion, I am not thinking with in your little box of perception. granted/good.
Quote:Here are just some of the hurdles you have to clear in order to come up with some rational reason for why prayers often fail:did you watch the video?
why would you assume NONE of these points were not addressed?
Quote:Define: what an answered prayer looks like, including; the time frame after the prayer is made does it need to be 'answered' to be considered an answer, how close to the actual prayer does the 'answer' need to adhere in order to be considered an answer.asked and answered in the video. !/2 the video is on this subject. it identifies point in the bible where when Jesus was asked how to pray, he gave the same answer. broke down that prayer into a outline you could use to speak to your own situation.
Quote:Then:that is the point of Real prayer. it is to combine you with the Holy Spirit. in essence the purpose of Real prayer is to sit you down with God withyour own direct access. There is no better proof for any one person than to experience God one on one. (explained in the video)
1. Demonstrate a god exists
Quote:2. Demonstrate said god is a personal god, who actually interacts within the universewe did this by introducing the purpose of prayer "what Jesus has you ask for in his name."
What in luke 11 God promises to give even if not because he loves you but for the sake of pure repetition.
Quote:3. Demonstrate that this god has the ability, and the desire, to answer prayersdid that by recounting my own experiences, and showing these are not offered to me uniquely but to everyone.
Quote:4. Demonstrate that it does actually answer prayershave done by sharing what has been done for me, and describing how he calls us out of the boat on to the water with him.. and if we make it out to him, we know it could only be God to kept us above the water. and if we fail like peter did and begin to sink beneath the waves we will then know only God could pull us out.
Quote:5. Demonstrate that a reliable source for what this god requires in order to answer prayers, existsagain pray yield one and only one result and that is the Holy Spirit. When you turn your life over (as outlined in the video) The presences of the Spirit becomes your proof.
Quote:6. Demonstrate, if these requirements are adhered to, the rate at which prayers succeed.id met on his terms provided by luke 11, he promises a 100% return on every prayer. Again even if he does not love you your repetition will encourage him to answer your Prayer if on his terms.
Quote:There are probably more steps, but these give an idea about how a rational person would go about trying to figure out why prayers often fail.which is why all of these questions were predetermined and answered in the orginal video even if you did not see them as a 'rational person.'
Quote:Since no one in the history of humanity has ever made it past step 1., don't you think you are putting the cart before the horse, in your video?you assume too much.
You are right that no one has made it past step one as God is not to be summoned. However God allows prvisos and instructions for us to find our way to him. That way he can cull out/weed out the lazy and the disinterested, if they can not be bothered to try and meet God on his terms. Do this and we are granted direct access to God. no priest, prophets or saints needed.
Quote:Other possible questions:God is not the only one answering petitions.
If someone prays to a different god than the one you believe exists, and has their prayer answered, does that count as an answered prayer?
Quote:If someone prays for some financial help, and 5 years later, they get a raise at work, does that count as an answered prayer?as per the video not even a prayer.
Quote:How do you explain the fact that prayers are answered at the exact same rate as chance?100% is the chance ratio?
oh, that's right you did watch 10 seconds of the video, and just assumed you could rationally think your way through anything I had to say, because in your box (scientific world view) there is nothing I can say you have not already heard...
Thing is, you have no clue what prayer is and you handling of the topic proves at best your understanding is that of the RC church 1500 years ago/what they wanted you to believe then.
This is not what the video is about as this is not the prayer described in the bible.
watch the video it is only 8 mins and I promise a 100% different view than what you wrongly supposed here. If you come off defending you initial primise (dark ages version of prayer) then I am just going to ignore your straw man. Educate yourself with the material so you can Speak topically/rationally as any human having a honest discussion should seek out and do.