RE: Is God a logical contradiction?
February 20, 2020 at 12:43 am
(This post was last modified: February 20, 2020 at 1:04 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Maybe the needle on the voltmeter moves for reasons that have nothing to do with voltage, too. You're certainly free to take this position. Taking this position is not what reduced your statement to incoherence, and this position can be stated without employing the stolen concept that you did.
I even understand, fwiw ,what you mean when you say that we can't observe consciousness itself. I don't think you're right, obviously cog sci researchers aren't doing their research because they agree with this position, but it doesn't matter what I think, or what they think, or which of us, if any of us..are right. Like I keep telling you, a stolen concept has nothing to do with the truth of any of it's constituent parts. You desperately want to bicker over that, but it's simply not relevant to whether or not something is a stolen concept. The stolen concept can also be false.
You simply used semantics and made an assertion that relies on the thing you seek to disprove. That's it, that's how you managed a stolen concept. Not by getting it wrong. Getting it right wouldn't have helped either, whichever side you got right. It's an error of validity, not an issue of whether a proposition is sound. Take the lifeline. Be right about your assertion that we simply cannot observe consciousness. If that's true, and we long ago decided to assume it was....then we don't actually observe the correlates of consciousness and can't coherently insist as much. There is a more accurate and coherent set of semantics and assertions to establish whatever it is you meant by saying that. I've watched you fumble with those statements and positions a couple of times in thread, so I think you can do it with a little more practice. I've been in a similar situation plenty of times, right here on the boards. Learning and practicing realist semantics and assertions that I do and that I don't agree with in moral discussions.
I even understand, fwiw ,what you mean when you say that we can't observe consciousness itself. I don't think you're right, obviously cog sci researchers aren't doing their research because they agree with this position, but it doesn't matter what I think, or what they think, or which of us, if any of us..are right. Like I keep telling you, a stolen concept has nothing to do with the truth of any of it's constituent parts. You desperately want to bicker over that, but it's simply not relevant to whether or not something is a stolen concept. The stolen concept can also be false.
You simply used semantics and made an assertion that relies on the thing you seek to disprove. That's it, that's how you managed a stolen concept. Not by getting it wrong. Getting it right wouldn't have helped either, whichever side you got right. It's an error of validity, not an issue of whether a proposition is sound. Take the lifeline. Be right about your assertion that we simply cannot observe consciousness. If that's true, and we long ago decided to assume it was....then we don't actually observe the correlates of consciousness and can't coherently insist as much. There is a more accurate and coherent set of semantics and assertions to establish whatever it is you meant by saying that. I've watched you fumble with those statements and positions a couple of times in thread, so I think you can do it with a little more practice. I've been in a similar situation plenty of times, right here on the boards. Learning and practicing realist semantics and assertions that I do and that I don't agree with in moral discussions.
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