Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves was also evil, and human trafficking is illegal.  I don't worship him either.  I've already explained to you that I'm not a moral relativist, as such....the ambiguities of your own moral relativism aren't a problem for me.  

And Muslims don't worship Muhammad either.

-if you say so, while people all over the world "imitate his sleep position"....lol - but this assertion hardly matters since we can sub in an evil god for an evil man with handy alacrity.  Frankl;y, I;m suprised that the latter isn;t just assumed, by you. If I couldn't worship an evil man, why would I worship the evil god of that evil man?

No, I need you to say : Thomas Jefferson would be in prison, just like you did with Muhammad. It's about time you acknoweldge your irrational repugnance toward his character. 

OFC he would be, but why do you imagine that would be a problem for me?  What do you think is irrational about being disgusted by a slaver?  It's a great question, since you belong to a slaving religion and worship the god of slaves and slaveholders.

And how can I possibly be a moral relativist.

Simple, you have told me twice now that I cannot judge your child raping warlord, that only peers of his own time could do that.  This makes ethical summary relative to time and social mores.  That's what moral relativism is, you are a moral relativist.

My book already proved capable to be a moral reference, or an inspiration, to a dozen of civilizations, if some practices are not done anymore, they disappear and that's it, they don't become evil. You, on the other hand, are a moral relativist. It's extremely unlikely that you would condemn slavery with the same assured tone if you lived hundreds of years ago. Religions don't condemn practices that were deemed obsolete, they just let them go. But you guys really need to shout them from the rooftops.

Magic book says alot of shit..but you, by reference to your own comments in this thread, are a moral relativist.  I am not.  Your moral relativism doesn't matter to me, a moral realist.

No, it's just you seeing things as faulty. You're not prepared to back up any of your opinions about the religion, be it an alleged rape, or slavery, or conducting wars unjustly. It's not surprising you would not change your opinion, you're clearly too lazy to do it.

Faulty?  Absolutely not.  Islam obviously works.  The trouble, for me, is that islam is evil, not that it's faulty. That's why I, as a person of good moral character and strong conscience, cannot join your club.

There is simply no way that you can even begin to have this discussion with me unless you manage to humble your clay made ass. Presumably, if your god exists, it put me in your path to teach you something. Pay attention. What I'm telling you can only make you a better ambassador of your own faith.