RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 25, 2020 at 5:31 pm
(This post was last modified: February 25, 2020 at 5:35 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 25, 2020 at 1:14 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:If you say so, I guess? Does it matter, if I don't care whether there's a heaven, or a god..or if it's your heaven, or your god? No. I don't want to join your club. How can I make this more clear?(February 25, 2020 at 11:21 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I think that you might have missed a few steps before that "therefore heaven"
I didn't intend for that to be a complete case for heaven, all I'm saying is that what's actually happening is what a just God would do, if he exists.
Quote:If you say so...there are two possible ways that all of that true stuff can be. One of them is absent any god. That makes god unnecessary.(February 25, 2020 at 11:21 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're clearly working with a different definition of surprise. I am not surprised to find that the necessities of existence are met, in the case of existence. This state of affairs is tautologically expected to be true. If some animal needs water, we expect to find water - but it doesn't matter whether a god put the water there or not. However water came to be, if a creature that depends on water exists...water must exist.
That's a vacuous reasoning. You're not really saying much except describing some existent reality. And any really fine tuned universe will have the same tautologically true stuff you're talking about.
Quote:Do you really reject the anthropic principle? Isn't the anthropic principle exactly why you think some god is needed? Something has to account for the requirements of mans existence, and any cosmological notion must account for those requirements?(February 25, 2020 at 11:21 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: ...now, why this appears to be true in a natural universe is self explanatory
Again, you can say the same thing about a chair wired to fit the human body, and even derive your own chairtropic principle. None of that changes the fact that the chair was designed.
I don't think that you've thought this through. Not enough to convince someone that your fairy tales are credible..and certainly not enough to convince someone to join your club, if you managed that.
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