RE: Agnosticism IS the most dishonest position
February 26, 2020 at 1:23 pm
(This post was last modified: February 26, 2020 at 1:24 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(February 26, 2020 at 12:31 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: In what sense saying "finite or infinite" is, or can be, a false dichotomy? Explain, don't just merely throw accusations.The gish gallop. I've corrected misapprehensions you had about two other specific articles. Now we're on to some other throwaway discussion. I've repeatedly expressed to you that no disagreement over which beliefs are reasonable to hold forms the basis of my inability and utter lack of desire to join your club.
Assume that there is a god, your god, described by your magic book. All of your work is still ahead of you.
For me, these discussions are pure academic minutiae.
Quote:No, I don't think anything can come from nothing. This is a gross misunderstanding of what the word infinite means. If we assert a god is there, he was always there. There was never a nothing state he came from. Therefore, "something can't come from nothing" is universally true and there is no exception.Fine, if you say so, but a god who came from no where, no when, and no thing..is very clearly something from nothing. If you want to assert these problems as problems..they are your problems.
Infinite regress is actually the misinformed answer. If there was any concept of time or, equivalently, some notion of delay between two causes, then infinite regress is already impossible, because we are here, which means an infinite amount of time already elapsed, and that is absurd. If we imagine an infinite row of soldiers, each one waiting for his predecessor's gunshot to shoot himself, then no one will ever shoot!
I'm perfectly content to consider a god from nothing, the god you believe in. You should be too.
Quote:I didn't even mention the anthropic principle before that, you brought that into the discussion without any warrant ,and started complaining about why I am not using it. Odd, really odd.I agree. It was odd, really odd, for you to reject a principle that your argument was fundamentally based upon..on account of how you had to look it up..didn't know what it was, assumed it must be atheist and/or/bad...and then stomped all over your own dick figuring out that it wasn't.
Quote:If I am not making any progress, then it's mainly due to your close mindedness, and inability to leave stereotypes aside and discuss the so called objections .. objectively. And you made that clear when you turned our discussion about morality and anachronism into flyting.The only thing all of your failures have in common, is you. I'm clearly willing to be open minded about your silly god stories. More so than you've managed to be. For the umpteenth time - it's not because I can't consider or imagine or allow for any number of ghost stories to be true that I'm not a member of your club. It is by considering those ghost stories -as true- that I've reached my conclusions about your god, and your magic book.
You will not make any progress until you can comprehend this simple fact, repeatedly expressed.
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