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The brazen bull in the Quran?
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RE: The brazen bull in the Quran?
(March 4, 2020 at 4:41 am)WinterHold Wrote: The brazen bull is an ancient torture method that includes the "roasting of the victim" to death inside a "bronze" bull. The bull made a sound when the victims start to scream from the pain.

It was claimed to be invented by the ancient Greeks by Diodorus Siculus, recounting the story in Bibliotheca historica :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazen_bull

But the sound produced by the bull does open a new theory to me when looking at this ancient passage from the Quran:

Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
https://quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#...rans=en_sh

( 148 )   And the people of Moses made, after [his departure], from their ornaments a calf - an image having a lowing sound. Did they not see that it could neither speak to them nor guide them to a way? They took it [for worship], and they were wrongdoers.

The bible has a similar story; but it never mentions the "lowing sound". The brazen bull is unique for its sound; just like the mentioned calf is unique for its sound.

Burnt offerings were claimed by the bible to be "offered" for the calf. So were they put inside it; and it is the origin of the brazen bull ? but instead of "offerings" people were put inside later by the Greeks ?

Burnt offerings in the Bible were generally made on an altar in the open air inside the Temple, there's no suggestion that they were made inside a bronze bull.

I think the differences in the 'golden calf' story in the Bible and the Quran are the result of sloppy plagiarism, nothing more.  Additionally, stories about the brazen bull as a torture device had been around for more than six hundred years before Mohammed got round to commercial religion - it's entirely possible that he'd heard about it and incorporated the 'lowing sound' into his book.

Boru
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The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 4, 2020 at 4:41 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Mr Greene - March 4, 2020 at 5:02 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 4, 2020 at 5:15 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 5, 2020 at 5:05 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 4, 2020 at 6:44 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 4, 2020 at 7:19 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 4, 2020 at 8:17 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by onlinebiker - March 4, 2020 at 8:20 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by brewer - March 4, 2020 at 8:06 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by onlinebiker - March 4, 2020 at 8:10 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 4, 2020 at 9:03 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by arewethereyet - March 4, 2020 at 6:52 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Rev. Rye - March 4, 2020 at 7:34 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Gawdzilla Sama - March 4, 2020 at 7:37 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Rev. Rye - March 5, 2020 at 11:33 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by Rev. Rye - March 6, 2020 at 1:40 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 6, 2020 at 5:08 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by The Grand Nudger - March 6, 2020 at 1:31 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 6, 2020 at 7:10 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 6, 2020 at 8:34 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 6, 2020 at 9:43 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by arewethereyet - March 6, 2020 at 10:20 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 7, 2020 at 6:49 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by arewethereyet - March 7, 2020 at 7:01 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 7, 2020 at 7:10 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by arewethereyet - March 7, 2020 at 7:25 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by WinterHold - March 7, 2020 at 8:32 pm
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by The Valkyrie - March 7, 2020 at 5:39 am
RE: The brazen bull in the Quran? - by no one - March 7, 2020 at 7:47 pm

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