A possibly new perspective on this thing that we know as God.

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People exist, therefore god.  I guess that settles it.

If he is arguing that because humans are the only capable of having a concept of god then god exists.

There are many things we conceptualize, a cursory look at the nutbar internet proves this. There is a way to test concepts and demonstrate to others those concepts exist, e.g. semiconductor gate properties. Not so much about this "divine reality concept, or the concept of god for that matter.

But here is the the thing, we are animals as well, why are we the only species that have the ability to even
conceptualize God in the for place. We have been singled out of all the other animals to have, display, and manifest divine / spiritual reality to the physical world.

Look, what has happened to us was indeed
evolution, but here's the thing, this is more
that just mere physical evolution. We have
been singled out here. We are just "one" of
many species on earth. Many species of
animals do similar things, but it is only the
human animal that does the unique things
that's only to the human, such as reading,
having a technical articulated language,
and establishing science. And we have
been singled out to have dominion among
all other species.

Think about it just for a second, if
this was just mere physical evolution and
nothing more, then why are we doing out
of our caves, why aren't we still in them?

Why are we not doing just like all the other
species on earth and still be strictly
dwelling in the wild?

Who is us to try and come out of our caves
and start inventing things?

Who is us to try to build a tribe or city and
to establish the things of science?

Who is us to try an build civilizations
around the world and establish organized
governments in every country?

Who are we to not be mere animals, I
wonder?

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Ok, and the human being itself is the "demonstration."

Human beings are a demonstration of human beings. Where is your demonstration of a god?

I just explain to you...

But if you disagree, that's fine

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You said: "I dunno mate, not very convincing."

Ok, that's fine

You said: "Instead of being distinct because we have "divine reality" im fairly sure science says its because we have a conscious"

Well every animal has a conscious, that not distinctive.

You said: "I think you've tried to link our consciousness with God but failed."

Nope, not at all. Like I said all animals has consciousness, but it is only the human being has a divine nature and can manifest the qualities of God to the physical world.

Animals have a conscious now do they. Maybe in your mind but science disagrees. U should really look into that.

Human nature isn't divine at all, it's just human nature.

Can i ask where u got this argument from?

You don't agree that animals has a conscious? Aren't animals just physically alive as we are?

Ok, that's fine.

My replays is based off the divine teachings of the baha'i faith.

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Only to you that you think that I'm failing because you think that I'm on some kind of mission, which I already told you I'm not.

I know you want physical evidence, but here's the thing, that you wil never have, because the divine reality is not anything physical, it can only be manifest to the physical world.

You are on a mission, If not you'd be talking to us about other things besides your religion of ignorance.

It's because divine reality is nothing more than a fantasy you've been taught by others. Insisting that the fantasy is real is delusion. All those attributes that you insist are gods, are simply human attributes. They have been made into "god attributes" by humans for manipulation purposes. You've been duped. 

It's not in the physical world but effects the physical world? What a bunch of horseshit. Next you'll be telling me the "it exists outside of time and space" dodge.

You said: "You are on a mission, If not you'd be talking to us about other things besides your religion of ignorance."

So in other words: don't come on this fourm talking to us about religion and spirituality?

You said: "It's because divine reality is nothing more than a fantasy you've been taught by others. Insisting that the fantasy is real is delusion. All those attributes that you insist are gods, are simply human attributes. They have been made into "god attributes" by humans for manipulation purposes. You've been duped."

Ok, that's fine.

You said: It's not in the physical world but effects the physical world? What a bunch of horseshit.

Well, doesn't the painter not live in the painting but still effects everything in the painting?

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The good human qualities are things like:

Integrity
Courageousness
Honesty
Generosity
Loyalty
Perseverance
Respectfulness
Politeness
Responsibility
Kindness
Humility
Lovingness
Compassion
Optimism
Fairness
Reliability
Forgiveness
Conscientiousness
Authenticity
Self-discipline

I've seen all of these displayed by my cat.

If that were really true, then it would cease to be a cat.

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Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never know God.

Not "completely," that is the core essence.

The best way to know God is to know the human reality.

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Which god?? Thor? He got a big lump hammer, right? ; )

The one true God that's usually known to have created the universe.

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I know God;

Omnipresent

All-Knowing

Flies

Resembles a mass of Spaghetti

Pronouns are Xim, Xe and Xis

What do I win op?

Omnipresent and All-Knowing are wrong.

God is even far beyond those.

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Hi.

So the perspective that I have is that, we will never fully and completely know God.

The only way to know God is to know His names and attributes.

Even though the human being is an animal just like all other species, we are distinct because we have a divine reality.

The human being has the potential to display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, that's what makes us have dominion over the animal.

The names and attributes of God are basically all of the good qualities that is possible for the human being to have, it's just that society doesn't call them that.

The human being is the most perfect of all creation.

So, for the sake of total clarity, do you think we will never discover god? Or that we cannot discover god? Or is discover not the right word?

If you are talking about "knowing god" in the way that the religious mean it, I mean we first have to establish that a god exists in order for one to somehow have a relationship with that god.

Furthermore, even if a god did exist, how do you know it would be interested in having some kind of psychic relationship with you?

You said: "So, for the sake of total clarity, do you think we will never discover god"?

Yes, we actually discover God every day through human beings.

You said "I mean we first have to establish that a god exists in order for one to somehow have a relationship with that god."

We establish that God exists by listening to the divine teachings of the current Prophet / Messenger / Manifestation.

You said: "Furthermore, even if a god did exist, how do you know it would be interested in having some kind of psychic relationship with you?"

Well as I said earlier God is beyond the physical universe and beyond anything that we know, so we will never know God completely, that is His core essence.
But by knowing the human reality, we can know a good number of things about God. And this is especially true with the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

Even though the common human being can display all of the names and attributes of God at the highest level, there is a level beyond that.

The Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations can display the names and attributes to the physical world at the highest level "perfectly."

So the thing is, if you "really" want to know God, the "absolute" best way to do that is to know the Prophets / Messengers / Manifestations.

Baha'u'llah says:

"And since there can be no tie of direct intercourse to bind the one true God with His creation, and no resemblance whatever can exist between the
transient and the Eternal, the contingent and the Absolute, He hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest in the kingdoms of earth and heaven...
These Essences of Detachment, these resplendent Realities are the channels of God's all-pervasive grace. Led by the light of unfailing guidance, and invested with supreme sovereignty, they are commissioned to use the inspiration of Their words, the effusions of Their
infallible grace and the sanctifying
breezes of Their Revelation for the cleansing of every longing heart and receptive spirit from the dross and dust of earthly cares and limitations."