Ontological, transcendental, Kalam, the lot. Indeed the do not work because they either beg the question or end up being circular.
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Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you