Here is why you should believe in God.

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My point, in mere reality, is that you've offered nothing that anyone here has never heard before, and nothing that strikes them as a good reason to believe. 

Nobody is going to offer you anything you somewhat didn't hear before. The thing is, we argue that you're looking at things from the wrong perspective. Recall that a couple of clues of smashed windows and broken handles point to a sophisticated burglar, if one just stops and thinks of this example hard enough - instead of asking for something else, like you do, the conclusion[a burglar exists] is a very sophisticated and ambitious one, but the few clues observed fully justify *believing* in it. The same thing applies to the whole universe, appearance of order does justify belief.

Back to descriptive laws, however you label them. They're still there, instead of no law at all. A lawless universe, that is, a universe where nothing follows any intelligible pattern, is clearly a universe worse than the one we have we have. If it is theoretically possible for a universe to be worse than ours, how come we have better one.. in the absence of a lawgiver.. ?
Now the batshit objection the unreasonably skeptical atheist gives.. laws don't require per se a lawgiver.. but this is a very poor one, an objection of the last resort.. smashed windows and broken handles don't imply a burlgar either.. per se, but not accepting the burglar hypothesis will look really bad for a competent, or just mentally sane, detective..

I know...I know...you think that we're all crazy and/or stupid.... and you're the sane  and/or smart one...but....

I actually don't think that. I don't remember someone asking me here what I think about them. All I think about them is that they are decent people _duh_ who were exposed to bad theology for too long.

You don't actually believe that something can't come from nothing - you absolutely do believe that god can come from nothing.  This is special pleading, plain and simple...and if god is a special case then special pleading isn't a problem..but to be logically coherent - you would first need to acknowledge what you're doing.

You do believe that god is a special case.  True or false?  You believe that nothing else can come from nothing - but you also believe that god came from nothing. 

God is not a special case, pal. Let's try again:

At any point in the past : the supposed god exists. The nothing state never happened. There was never any nothing. Therefore, God didn't come from nothing, he is the something that was always there. To say for something that it came from nothing is to say it popped into existence ex nihilo, after the nothing. That's clearly not god as he is defined.

Is that clear enough..?

Whatever dreams you had of joining this board and sharing enlightenment with we lowly kaffir...you were sorely mistaken.

The word kaffir' you mindlessly use here literally means someone who is convinced of something true and knowingly denies it. Clearly, the label kafir' as defined in Islamic jurisprudence doesn't apply to most atheists.

Apparently, I am not the only one being lied to.