RE: the nature of sin
May 14, 2020 at 11:32 am
(This post was last modified: May 14, 2020 at 11:35 am by Drich.)
(May 14, 2020 at 11:25 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It's true that secular laws have largely abandoned thought crime as an actionable item. It shouldn't take much more than a person pointing to those regimes that leaned on it to explain why this was so. The character of jesus, however, doesn't offer any novel opinions on the subject. It was already widely believed that men could have wicked hearts, and that those thought crimes caused by their wicked heart where the impetus for act in the exterior world.
What is the case against thought crime outside of moral consideration?
that my point about sin being a virus and not a moral matter at all.
Thought crime as you put it extends into the two laws that Christ says replaces or full fills all of the old law of the prophets.
In that we are to love our God with all of our being and neighbors as ourselves.
it is easy to see how simply going through the motions of worship would reduce ones efforts to not giving God everything. Ie lets says you were out too late sat night and sunday morning worship came too quickly and you do want to worship God today you just want to sleep, but you get up and go to church anyway . you dont complain or do anything disruptive you just do not want to be there.
nothing morally wrong there. yet to go through the motions of worship fails 1/2 the rules God gave Christianity. this is indeed a sin separate from morality that needs the same atonement a moral sin might.
(May 14, 2020 at 11:31 am)arewethereyet Wrote:(May 14, 2020 at 11:25 am)Drich Wrote: it's not. which is why i said i dont fully agree with gae blongna.
and it is a little more than what you describes unless you thin God is a dummy/can be fooled or forced into granting you salvation per a loop hole you think you found.
you do ask God for forgiveness you acknowledge Jesus having died on the cross to cover you sin. and you got to alter your life like those two things mean something. don't have to burn down your house and start over, but you can pretend those words alone will save you. God will put on your heart the evils you must deal with first. work with the ones you can chip at the ones you cant right away.
If you need help you need proof seek him out on his terms and he will show up. but keep in mind to whom much is given much more is expected.
The more you do here the greater your life there.
if you try and get in the last minute Jesus describes them as having survived a great fire with singed cloths on their back and nothing more.. Who wants to enter heaven homeless?
So those deathbed conversions don't work? You don't have much time to fix things then. I thought that was part of the beauty of it all...you could be gasping your last, proclaim your faith, ask forgiveness, and voila - here's your golden ticket.
the death bed confession that do are witnessed by the thief on the cross. his confession describe a heart that would have worshiped Christ if he had only met him sooner. He was allowed in because God knew where his heart is. like wise trying to squeeze out as much life as you can and waiting till you are at deaths door to ask for forgiveness knowing your whole life what God expected... I'm not going to judge for Christ but lets say there is not biblical precedent for any of that. never once did that happen.