(June 9, 2020 at 11:03 am)SUNGULA Wrote:deserve has nothing to do with it moron. reunification by forgivness and honoring the dead so more would not have to die was the point.Quote:dear dummy when lee took up arms against the union in may of 1861 the worry of slaves being free was not on the agenda. slaves would not be freed till it was clear to lincolon that he was going to loose the war if something was not done. in an effort to open a second 'home front' (with rebelling/free slaves) he threatened Jefferson davis the PoTCS that he had 100 days to sit down and come to terms with the union. because the south was winning they declined and pressed forward. so in dec 1865 the slaves were freed.This has nothing to do with my point . Weather the Union were saints is meaningless the Confederates were an horrible regime that don't deserve to be honored
Quote:4 states out of the 13 who succeeded from the union in their declarations of war listed the potential abolishment of slavery being one of the reason for their discontent. that is 4 states out of the 11+1 territory. and again not all states agreed on everything as slavery was a concern for only 4 states. Why? because slavery was not an issue being discussed at the time. each state wrote their own list of greivances.Quote:If the slaves were the point of the civil war then why weren't they freed in 61? why wait to his second term to free the slaves?The Confederates fought to defend slavery . What the union did is irrelevant
The truth is Lincoln was never an abolitionist. he did nto care for black people and his idea once freeing all slaves was to send them back (which he did by the 10,000s of thousands to Liberia. or colonize them in central and south america.
Quote:Which is irrelevant to why the fact the Confederacy should not be honoredyou don't understand the point. Lincolns late works in the abolition of slavery shows this was not the primary cause. not only that his efforts were not ment to encourage black citizenship, but rather a disciplinary action.
Quote:The only slavery issue that was in dispute at the start of the war was congress voted on keeping all black slaves east of the Mississippi. which pissed off these super land barons who had holding in the new territories and wanted to use slaves to help tame the west and run cows. across the Mississippi congress demanded all laborers to be paid in order to help alleviate the flood of immigrants coming from Europe.This has nothing to do with my point . Weather the Union were saints is meaningless the Confederates were an horrible regime that don't deserve to be honored. They were not be rewarded fool they were being reconciled. they were being consoled, they were being brought back into the fold. take that away and you once again bring division.
Quote:put more effort into this if you seek a response.Quote:Know it or not dummy lee represents you douche bags now more than ever,
Nope not even
Quote: as he was a progressive who felt he voice and the voice of his brothers were not being heard in the senate. let alone in the presidency
Nope he was a conservative who felt he voice and the voice of his brothers were not being heard in the senate. let alone in the presidency
Quote: they hated beard man as bad as you are told to hate the orange manNope both Lee and Trump are assholes who deserve condemnation
Quote: taking down the reminders of how your movement (They were democrats with the same socialist based beliefs) is doomed to fail is a mistake because you are not removing a symbol of hate..Nope not my movement nor were they socialist (democrats yes CONSERVATIVE democrats ) and yes it is a symbol of hate
Quote:but the part you are taking away is the reconciliation. what the left sees as a 'right' when they wander off to exercise their rights to try and start over.
Nope were taking away a symbol of hate and you brain dead alternate history is just that
Quote: we not only help you come back home we forgive and even honor the dead as they too are Americans.There is no US you deluded idiot . THE CONFEDERATES WERE ON YOU SIDE NOT OURS . DEMOCRATES WERE CONSERVATIVES NOT LEFTISTS and no amount of revisionist history will change that .