(July 24, 2020 at 1:09 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(July 24, 2020 at 11:42 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Nicely put.I'd suggest that while this may accurately reflect your beliefs, and your beliefs about a specific god, it doesn't match the historic development of that god in particular, or..... really..... of any god in general.
I see having to work for a living as a good thing.
Like the Jews, Gnostic Christians like me think of Eden as where man was elevated, not where he fell.
A & E, to us, graduated from childhood to adulthood, so getting to work is our reward, not our penalty. Not to mentioned that we gained the knowledge of reproduction and could now breed.
Nice because otherwise, if you follow the story line, none of us would be here.
Christianity reversed the moral of the story when they usurped the god of the Jews.
Regards
DL
This isn't to say that your beliefs cannot refer to some valid reading, and the coming of age story is right out there for all to see, it's just the acknowledgement that any notion that you or people who believe as you do aren't expressing some sort of traditional continuity. That's just another example of the abrahamic ladder. You all want to believe that your beliefs were the original version, and that someone else "flipped" this or that. Credibility is somehow exchanged in this way. None of you are speaking from a point of fact in the matter.
As a Gnostic Christian, I know we were not the originators of our myths. They were written to put against the Christian myth before Christianity went stupid and began reading their myths literally.
Here is a brief opinion/apologetic for my view. Please do not think a Gnostic Christian is a Christian.
If we were, they would not have sent the inquisitors to decimate us.
The only good Christians to us, as recognized by the intelligentsia, is a Gnostic Christian.
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I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.
https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2
Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html
Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."
Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.
"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."
Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oR02cian...=PLCBF574D
Regards
DL