(June 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm)peace2u Wrote: 1: Evolution contradicts the Bible ('we can't say the earth is 6000 years old')
Don’t really know the in-depth of the Bible, only covered the surface but the Quran doesn’t say the age of the Earth but however the Quran does mentions the Big Bang fact and so it does not go against the age of the earth according to established scientific facts.
The Quran does not describe the big bang (which actually wasn't an explosion in the sense of what we would consider an explosion anyway).
(June 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm)peace2u Wrote: 2: Evolution insults human dignity ('we can't say we're different from animals')
According to Islam animals live based on their instinct or in order words, what they were programmed to do. However, humans have free will and are the highest level of God’s creation. Animals reproduce, eat and sleep, while Humans do more than that by having the free will to make positive contributions to the society. I mean you cannot say that the nature of humans and animals are similar whereby there are animals that are cannibalistic by nature (black widow spider).
So your dignity is insulted ... so fucking what?
It's debatable whether we truly have free will and any god that is omniscient logically denies the possibility of free will.
(June 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm)peace2u Wrote: 3: Evolution defeats arguments to design (we can't say 'God made that!')
In Islam God is the designer of all things (Humans, Mountains, Sea, Animals and etc). If you look at the perfect design of the Humans, Animals and Plants, it is impossible that all of these had come by chance, even many scientist agree that it is impossible that we had come by chance.
The god of the theistic evolution is far, far more powerful than that of the literalist like you because the theistic evolutionist's god rolled the die and knew how everything would turn out instead of having to perform individual creative acts. I don't believe in any gods not even that one but it (and I think that is Cleanthes one) is more rational than yours.
(June 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm)peace2u Wrote: 4: Evolution leaves no room for the doctrine of the Fall (we can't explain where right and wrong come from)
God is the creator of man so he knows what is right and wrong for them. No wonder the law of UK is consistently changing because of the growing problems of the society.
Evolution very much is able to demonstrate where right and wrong come from as long as you understand that right and wrong is a man-made concept and that what actually is wrong or right varies across time and culture and as such there are no fixed correctnesses (for lack of abetter word).
(June 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm)peace2u Wrote: 5: Religion and Science are naturally conflicting ('whose side are you on?')
Islam and science do not conflict; in fact there are over 1000 verses in the Quran which supports established scientific facts before they were proven by man. See http://atheistforums.org/thread-1147-page-3.html (Thread 25)
Islam and science conflict, the bible and science conflict.
There are in fact no (ZERO, NADA, ZIP) verses in the Quran that are in any way scientific ... all of them require you (the interpreter) to twist their meaning to fit current day knowledge.
(June 9, 2009 at 6:38 pm)peace2u Wrote: In Islam, we say that humans change but do not evolve because that’s not our purpose and not what God created man for. Humans can become stronger, faster, and more intelligent but we cannot evolve into growing wings and being able to fly. The first humans to be created were Adam and Eve and even now there are scientists who are try to prove that we all came from a single male and female, which would hopefully be proven in the near future. And no, evolution is not part of God’s plan.
Then in Islam you're wrong. You're also wrong that scientists seek the first man and woman ... they seek our ancestors true and there is a hypothetical forbear referred to as "Mitochondrial Eve" but that is just a poetic description of a common ancestor who would have been the first female to have been classified as a human ape.
Kyu
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