RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
August 22, 2020 at 8:44 am
(This post was last modified: August 22, 2020 at 9:03 am by Gwaithmir.)
(August 22, 2020 at 8:22 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:(August 22, 2020 at 8:10 am)Gwaithmir Wrote: We know by empirical observations that the earth resides in a heliocentric system...
"Although it is not uncommon for people to say that Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true. As in the case of our normal view versus that of the goldfish, one can use either picture as a model of the universe, for our observations of the heavens can be explained by assuming either the earth or the sun to be at rest" -Stephen Hawking, The Grand Design.
I respect your search and your atheism.
You should be aware that, at the time of the release of his book, Hawkins stated, "One can't prove that God does not exist, but science makes God unnecessary."
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/stephen-hawki...d=11571150
Also, what are you attempting to imply by the partial quote from Hawkin's book? Here is the FULL quote:
"A famous example of different pictures of reality is the model introduced around A.D. 150 by Ptolemy (ca. 85–ca. 165) to describe the motion of the celestial bodies. Ptolemy published his work in a treatise explaining reasons for thinking that the earth is spherical, motionless, positioned at the center of the universe, and negligibly small in comparison to the distance of the heavens.
"This model seemed natural because we don't feel the earth under our feet moving (except in earthquakes or moments of passion). Ptolemy's model of the cosmos was adopted by the Catholic Church and held as official doctrine for fourteen hundred years. It was not until 1543 that an alternative model was put forward by Copernicus. So which is real? Although it is not uncommon for people to say Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true. As in the case of the goldfish, one can use either picture as a model of the universe. The real advantage of the Copernican system is that the mathematics is much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest."
"The world is my country; all of humanity are my brethren; and to do good deeds is my religion." (Thomas Paine)