The Electoral College

[Brian37]

I love you lady, I really do.

But for everyone reading this, not just you. I really have debated this issue long before I joined this forum. 

When one looks at human history, with other systems, we have seen that they are not perfect, and have even failed. 

My point isn't to argue for or against. I have said twice in this thread I am torn. 

It isn't enough to simply say, "get rid of it".  What would you suggest to replace it that you think would work foolproof?

My problem with this oversimplification is that we have seen other open democratic systems that don't have the EC fail in human history too.

Iran is ruled by popular vote. Despite what many in the west think, they do have elections too.

If I were to change the EC in any way, it would be that the numbers have to be far smaller to trigger an EC win than they are now.

I think both margins in 2000 and 2016 were far to high to trigger an EC win by the popular vote loser. 

But, again, if others here want to say "scrap it", what would you replace it with, and can you show me any other system that is immune to manipulation and corruption that is immune to falling?

I am not judging, I really am not.  I don't like these EC outcomes anymore than anyone else.  But I also don't want a pure vote either. Pure votes lead to Hitler and Stalin. Pure votes lead to Iran going from an open state to a theocracy.

Here are some images of Afghanistan in the 1960s.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Afghanis...10&dpr=1.5

I see the long term problem as being TRUMP and the GOP, not our constitution.

You do realize that if Germany had the Electoral College system that Hitler still would have won, right?  It's not like an electoral college would've stopped him.  It would've only theoretically stopped him, and you're counting on them doing the right thing.  And as we see from the 2016 election, they don't do the right thing.  The popular vote isn't the problem.  What gives rise to fascism isn't the popular vote.

Again, as I said, I am torn. 

I can see your point of view. Trump is an example sure.

But again, if you are going to remove something, you have to have something to replace it with.


I doubt if Gore had lost the popular vote, but won the EC, or if Hillary had lost the popular vote but won the EC people who sport them would make the same argument.

Again, outside America's system of government, we have seen other examples in human history, where an open democratic state, without an EC has failed and become an authoritarian state.

I am against fascism, authoritarian states, and theocracies. I always will be. All I am asking is what do you replace the EC with?