RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 7, 2020 at 6:27 pm
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2020 at 6:37 pm by runewell.)
(October 7, 2020 at 6:22 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:Quote:whoa he is NOT a murderer.
Yes he is a murderer
Quote:That is the unlawful killing of one man by another.
Nope you can lawfully murder someone
Quote:He gave life in the first place, so it is his to take away.Non Sequitur being the one who gave someone life does not grant them the right to take it away
Quote:Not saying I agree with the other adjectives.Then you are in error
How do you lawfully murder someone, if murder is unlawful killing? How do you lawfully unlawfully kill someone? That's a contradication.
As for the non-sequitur, how does it not follow that if God can give life, he can take it away? I wasn't referring to humans there.
And finally you call me in error for not expressing an opinion about the other adjectives??
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(September 11, 2020 at 6:47 pm)god bother Wrote: If we were created by god, than there's only one thing that is undeniable. Among all the millions of species that have ever lived during the millions of years that life has existed on the planet, we're the only ones that can reason with logic. In short, what makes us special is that we're uniquely super intelligent.
So, if there's god, we were made to think. That's ALL we can know for sure. Fine. So what do all religions tell you to do - stop thinking logically and take it on faith. WTF?
Lets apply some rational thought to eternal torment and see where we get. God is all powerful. Fair enough. God makes us. Cool. God makes us inherently sinful. Doesn't matter how hard you try, you're goin' stuff up. Right. So that means God is either, very cruel or majorly inept.
Either way, the outcome is the same - we were created sick and yet commanded to be well. Oh and here's the kicker. If we can't manage to achieve what the creator couldn't do or didn't want to do, we get punished for eternity.
Good luck finding a justification for that one! The design of your average prostate is more logical and those things are a mess!
No, God didn't make us sinful, creation was good, and man was very good. It was man that chose to sin, and passed that on to his offspring - don't blame your problems on God.