RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 7, 2020 at 9:41 pm
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2020 at 9:46 pm by runewell.)
(October 7, 2020 at 6:42 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:Quote:How do you lawfully murder someone, if murder is unlawful killing? How do you lawfully unlawfully kill someone? That's a contradiction.Because isn't defined by it's lawfulness . Thus it's not a contradiction to say murder can be lawful. Murder is a malicious and unjustifiable act against an undeserving person and indeed authorities can and do commit such acts .
Quote:As for the non-sequitur, how does it not follow that if God can give life, he can take it away? I wasn't referring to humans there.It doesn't matter what your referring to . It does not follow that if something gives life it can take it away
Quote:And finally you call me in error for not expressing an opinion about the other adjectives??I imagine you object to those adjectives. If so you are in error because they all fit .
Quote:No, God didn't make us sinful, creation was good, and man was very good. It was man that chose to sin, and passed that on to his offspring - don't blame your problems on God.If god creates it . He bears all the blame for it's current state regardless of any other decision made by any other being . In fact even creating being with choice is blameworthy , And the fact man had the option of sin when no such option was necessary even for free will is blameworthy
Look up the definition - it's no good making up your own. Murder is specifically unlawful killing of another human. God isn't even human (well, apart from Jesus who didn't kill anyone as a human) so it wouldn't apply to him anyway. If a policeman kills someone then he is either not guilty and it was lawful or convicted and it was murder.
As for the non-sequitur, It does follow that if God gives life, then God can take it away; that's the privilege of being God. I would agree in wouldn't necessarily follow for humans.
I won't even speak to the third part - I didn't even express a viewpoint and you're already pre-judging me.
(October 7, 2020 at 8:47 pm)SuicideCommando01 Wrote: [quote pid='1998124' dateline='1599864470']Man had no knowledge of good or evil, So its God's fault for not informing them why they shouldn't eat from the tree. Oh and by the way God is supposedly the planner of EVERYTHING, which basically also includes choices and where you will end up, theres even bible quotes to support it. Free will is an illusion.
No, God didn't make us sinful, creation was good, and man was very good. It was man that chose to sin, and passed that on to his offspring - don't blame your problems on God.
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God had no requirement to give them any explanation, he can reveal whatever he wishes and keep hidden what he wishes. They went ahead and disobeyed anyway - not God's fault. Sure God knew what would happen, and knew who he was creating, but that doesn't in any way negate our free will. Are you telling me that God is making you post on this forum? Or are you choosing to do it yourself?