RE: What God's justification for eternal torment?
October 11, 2020 at 4:50 am
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2020 at 5:06 am by Pat Mustard.)
(October 8, 2020 at 11:05 am)Nay_Sayer Wrote:(October 8, 2020 at 1:57 am)Nomad Wrote: Are you saying god's not all powerful nor all knowing? That'd be going against a basic christian belief.
It'll be a tap-dancing answer the likes of which will put Riverdance to shame. If only he knew he's worshiping a false idol.
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It's easy to put riverdance to shame, it's not a proper ceilí.
(October 8, 2020 at 5:08 pm)runewell Wrote:(October 8, 2020 at 1:04 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The trouble with foreknowledge and free will has nothing to do with a god, or with anyone making anyone else do anything.
Laying aside the logical issues with foreknowledge and free will entirely, we'll have further moral difficulty understanding why an attribute that would make us responsible for x would not also make a god responsible for x. If we do something knowing full well the consequence of that act, we hold ourselves responsible for that outcome.
Do we hold gods to lesser standards than men?
We don't hold God to any standards, because He is God. You can make up any standard you like, but you would be totally powerless to enforce it, so it is a moot point. Therefore, it does not follow that if we are responsible for X then God is also responsible for X.
Why should we not hold this proposed being to a standard? If it is so good and just and merciful, then it should be more than happy to submit itself to a code of behaviour.
(October 8, 2020 at 5:21 pm)runewell Wrote:(October 7, 2020 at 6:48 pm)Sal Wrote: Do you think man-made laws are descriptive?
How do you square that god, in giving life, supposedly along with the Free Will™, is also sanctioned in ending it? You're arguing for nothing different than for parents to murder their children at a whim. Again, abhorrent and disgusting.
I don't understand the point of your first question.
How do you square that God, in giving live, is NOT sanctioned in ending it? You're arguing for a God who is unable to do whatever He wants - Who is going to bring Him to justice?. Laughable and illogical.
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My parents gave me life, they have no sanction to end my life. Same with your parents.
Your fictional god doesn't come into the first side of your equation, therefore he has even less of a sanction to kill you than your parents do.
(October 10, 2020 at 11:34 pm)runewell Wrote:(October 10, 2020 at 8:42 pm)Angrboda Wrote: You're equivocating. If what is moral is defined by accepted standards, then the class of true moral propositions ("truth") is defined by those accepted standards. You're trying to appeal to a different definition of moral truth, an objective one, after having adopted this first definition. That's an error. Either what is morally true is what accords with accepted standards, or it is not; you can't have it both ways.
Do you advocate the holocaust? .
No but you did up thread. You stated that if god decreed a holocauset then it was good. Nazi Germany was a christian nation under a christian ruler who thought he was doing the will of god. By your own definition the holocaust was just and moral, given those facts.
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