RE: The most stupid misconceptions about Islam
October 22, 2020 at 10:04 am
(This post was last modified: October 22, 2020 at 10:04 am by R00tKiT.)
(October 22, 2020 at 9:39 am)Sal Wrote:(October 22, 2020 at 9:38 am)Klorophyll Wrote: Also, things don't create themselves.
“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
Carl Sagan, Cosmos.
Okay. Proceed to invent the universe.
(October 22, 2020 at 9:40 am)Nomad Wrote: Appearance of design is not evidence of design. A random pattern which takes on a simulcrum of order doesn't make it an ordered pattern.
Design doesn't exactly mean the existence of a pattern.
(October 22, 2020 at 9:40 am)Nomad Wrote: Anyway, one really has to ignore the evidence to suggest that there is an appearance of design in reality. Thake the human body, there are many redundancies, flaws, obsolescences and other items in every human that no actual designer would ever countenance, no matter how incometent. Like who would make it so that you can easily asphyxiate yourself while eating dinner. Nobody would think that haing your breathing tube and eating tube be the same tube is a good idea, yet that is how humans are "designed". We can look at lots of other problems like the appendix or junk DNA and see nany evidences for the absence of design, but in reality find no evidence for it.
Some of these so called redundancies or flaws turned out to have a useful biological role. Take the appendix, for example:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...162333.htm
(October 22, 2020 at 9:40 am)Nomad Wrote: Design is not an explanation for the universe and anybody who insists that it is are not looking at reality ir even any approximation of it. Take your iron-age paedophiliac musings and shove them where the sun doesn't shine, it'll do you the world of good.
Why not ? Isn't the sunsine and diversity of life a part of reality ?
(October 22, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Tell me how the terrorist nuts got it wrong, then....again?
Terrorist nuts consider Eskimos, for example, also kafirs.
(October 22, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, not really - since it doesn't exist. Our own existence satisfies the contingencies of our own misapprehensions.
Sure, run with that
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(October 22, 2020 at 9:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: However, since you're trying to steer this toward some other doomed batshit argument, I'll bite. If positing your silly god leads to infinite regress, and infinite regress is impossible, then this would indicate that your god assertion is trash. A person arguing for god and referencing this finds themselves in a situation entirely like your earlier brush in with biology and improbability.
If infinite regress is impossible. You have a first cause preceeding these so called super abled versions of ourselves. I don't see a problem with this argument, do you ?