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Christian Looking For Debate
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RE: Christian Looking For Debate
(October 30, 2011 at 4:31 am)SeekerOfTruth Wrote: Yes, God being the creater did create everything in existence including the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. However, as stated earlier, evil is not something you can create. Evil, in sense doesn't even exist it's simply a lack of good.

In the bible, god is supposedly omniscient yet he allowed it happened?

To clarify your statement above- Did Adam and Eve unjustly kicked out of the Eden Garden just because they eaten the forbidden fruit of nonexistence of "good and evil"?
Or are you trying to imply that the knowledge of Good and Evil/Conscience is nothing but a delusion?

(October 30, 2011 at 4:31 am)SeekerOfTruth Wrote: Take cold for example, it doesn't exist it's just how we describe an absence of heat or atomic movement. However, even though it's non existent, we still have knowledge of it, just like evil.

Something that can't be seen/felt by our 5 senses [sight, smell, taste, touch and hearing, for example] don't mean it is nonexistence. I am sure you know most of scientific methods can't be analyze, observe, research and confirm the nonexistence. Besides, we have technology to detect energy, protons, electrons, neutrons, infrared rays, x-rays, gamma rays and anything that can't be detected by our 6 senses.

Think about it, if you are correct about absence of heat/cold, then thermodynamics wouldn't be existed in first place.

The concept about Good and Evil:
According to Social Darwinism, Good and Evil/Morals/Conscience/Ethics/whatever is defined, developed by humanity. I am not sure if Social Darwinism is credible theory. But nonetheless, humanity already have ability to make, redefine, improve our morals/ethics.

If you still think the concept of "evil" don't exist, Try to imagine and feel yourself in a guy this situation [as a 1st person perspective]:
This man strangle, dismantle and slaughter adorable, healthy kitten, brutal as possible. He even can felt warm blood of twitching kitten and its blood staining his hands all in the same time. Afterward, he threw dying kitten against a tree as if it's a bottle shattered against a tree. 'Tis cute kitten is left for dead by this man. Fin.

The bible didn't specify how you should treat the species known as Felis catus. So that's where you come in - How do you describe of this man's behavior with felis catus? Evil? Or lacking of good? Why should you emotionally responded to this man's behavior with animal that you defined the "evil" supposedly nonexistence?

Even if the concept of "evil" don't exist, we still reactive to this man's atrocity, emotionally, also provokes our conscience. You see, most of people [with belief in the existence of soul] still thinks emotions such as "Love" can't be scientifically explained because they believe "love" come from our souls, yet scientists discovered emotions are produced by brain and chemical reaction. It's same thing to ancestors believed Zeus/Thor's thunders are work of "god" later science explained vis-a'-vis.

I suppose that "Evil" is a merely word, but the importance is its conception that we define, redefine, to describe with basis of our conscience, logic and emotion which existed within us.
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Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 26, 2011 at 4:42 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by DeistPaladin - October 26, 2011 at 4:51 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2011 at 4:52 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 26, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by reverendjeremiah - October 26, 2011 at 6:20 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Ace Otana - October 26, 2011 at 6:27 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Doubting Thomas - October 26, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 26, 2011 at 7:24 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Cinjin - October 26, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 26, 2011 at 9:29 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Cinjin - October 27, 2011 at 2:52 am
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RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 26, 2011 at 7:53 pm
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RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by kılıç_mehmet - October 30, 2011 at 10:29 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Mister Agenda - October 28, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 29, 2011 at 1:03 am
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RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 29, 2011 at 2:24 am
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RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - October 30, 2011 at 4:31 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by downbeatplumb - October 30, 2011 at 5:28 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by ElDinero - October 30, 2011 at 8:08 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by SeekerOfTruth - November 7, 2011 at 10:36 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Joe Bloe - October 30, 2011 at 8:26 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Mister Agenda - November 1, 2011 at 2:50 pm
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by ElDinero - October 29, 2011 at 8:23 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Joe Bloe - October 29, 2011 at 9:07 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by The Grand Nudger - October 29, 2011 at 9:31 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by The Grand Nudger - October 30, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by Blam! - November 1, 2011 at 10:51 am
RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by justthetruth - November 5, 2011 at 3:02 am
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RE: Christian Looking For Debate - by DeistPaladin - November 5, 2011 at 4:34 pm
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