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Separation of Science and State
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RE: Separation of Science and State
(November 13, 2020 at 12:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I am here to testify that many devout Christians think secularism, government neutrality regarding religious matters so far as it is practicable, is a very good thing. It's more common among religious minorities in the USA, who are in a position to see that they would be on the short end of the stick of government partiality towards religion; but I've met many Christians in RL who support separation of state and religion. They've been liberal Catholics and mainstream Protestants; and I've not seen any Christian proponents of church/state separation online; but maybe that's because I hang out on an atheist forum.

Right; given that my denomination believes Saturday is the Sabbath instead of Sunday, my church has fought many legal battles over religious freedom in favor of separation of Church and State. I'm not a historian, but the concept of separation appears to be religious, born out of the Protestant Reformation and many persecutions. Whenever Church and State have married, the religious have paid for it.

There's a culture of conscientious objectors within my church, so there's definitely a history of standing up to government:

“Genuine Christianity manifests itself in good citizenship and loyalty to civil government. The breaking out of war among men in no way alters the Christian’s supreme allegiance and responsibility to God or modifies their obligation to practice their beliefs and put God first. This partnership with God through Jesus Christ who came into this world not to destroy men’s lives but to save them causes Seventh-day Adventists to advocate a noncombatant position, following their divine Master in not taking human life, but rendering all possible service to save it” (SDA General Conference, 1954).
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