Separation of Science and State

[Sal]

Oh, another one of those "You think x, therefore it's y" bullshit from Bel. Good fun times to be had, all 'round.

The question: Should there be any separation between science and government (synonymous to church and state)? What should the relationship between science and government be? Are there any dangers in that relationship?

People on this forum think of science the same way that evangelicals think of God:

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Please tell us more what we think about science, and how you've reached that conclusion on what the fuck is going on in our own heads ...

when it does a good thing, it gets the credit, but when it does a bad thing, something else must be to blame.

Tangentially, I'm sympathetic with OLB, when people use that old canard about the dangers of guns, while simultaneously excluding the guys and gals using the fucking armory. You're such a piece of shit, Bel, and the most pathetic thing is, you actually think you're doing god's work or some shit spreading your bullshit here. Fuck you.

Science is a tool for understanding Nature. And a bunch of dipshit dictators use that tool, e.g. like a fucking jackhammer penetrating skulls, has absofuckinglutely nothing to do with the research behind science, ya piece of catshit.

In fact science is a loose set of practices, always enacted by fallible biased human beings. These days it is funded mostly by for-profit companies and the Pentagon. Scientists are very likely to discover the things that their funders want them to find. 

You hear that folks? The Universe's smallest violin playing for mister catshit here, because he doesn't like how all these "fallible biased human beings" have e.g. put men on the motherfucking Moon, all thanks to the tireless work of ... you guessed it, NASA. That organization with all those "fallible biased human beings" just doing random shit, who would've thunk it?

Putting our trust in some abstract noun called "science" is a faith-based abdication of responsibility. People in government should act with scientists as advisors, but make their decisions along ethical lines.

Gee, think this thought, again, about all the research gone into that microwave you very probably own, when you might want to eat some pop tarts, ya gooddamn simpleton.

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I am here to testify that many devout Christians think secularism, government neutrality regarding religious matters so far as it is practicable, is a very good thing. It's more common among religious minorities in the USA, who are in a position to see that they would be on the short end of the stick of government partiality towards religion; but I've met many Christians in RL who support separation of state and religion. They've been liberal Catholics and mainstream Protestants; and I've not seen any Christian proponents of church/state separation online; but maybe that's because I hang out on an atheist forum.

Right; given that my denomination believes Saturday is the Sabbath instead of Sunday, my church has fought many legal battles over religious freedom in favor of separation of Church and State. I'm not a historian, but the concept of separation appears to be religious, born out of the Protestant Reformation and many persecutions. Whenever Church and State have married, the religious have paid for it.

There's a culture of conscientious objectors within my church, so there's definitely a history of standing up to government:

“Genuine Christianity manifests itself in good citizenship and loyalty to civil government. The breaking out of war among men in no way alters the Christian’s supreme allegiance and responsibility to God or modifies their obligation to practice their beliefs and put God first. This partnership with God through Jesus Christ who came into this world not to destroy men’s lives but to save them causes Seventh-day Adventists to advocate a noncombatant position, following their divine Master in not taking human life, but rendering all possible service to save it”  (SDA General Conference, 1954).

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Ask a historian what he thinks, rest is bullshit. Try again.

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Separation of reality and government was narrowly voted down.  Nevertheless, over 72 million voters are fine with government that ignores math, science, and reason because tax cuts fix everything.

I wouldn't trust those 72 million cultists to accurately tell me what the color of the sky is.