RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 24, 2020 at 2:39 pm
(This post was last modified: November 24, 2020 at 3:20 pm by R00tKiT.)
(November 22, 2020 at 6:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Well...
It sure is a problem for those of us that understand good standards of evidence.
Your god did not plan very well if he created a system, that would not allow for an actual demonstration of his existence.
So, either your god wants to remain hidden from those of us are not credulous, or he doesn't exist.
A third option is that you people are genuinely dishonest with all the suggestive evidence around you. I already explained how the existence of other minds doesn't meet you "standards of evidence", yet you accept them because you see enough stimuli in your everyday life to warrant an inference to the best explanation - that my neighbor's behavior is better explained if he were a human being than if he were some weird manifestation of a ghost sent by Satan.
We receive enough a lot of input through our senses around us suggesting design and thoughtful creation, this itself calls for an inference to the best explanation.
(November 22, 2020 at 6:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How do you know that humanity will never be able to create a device capable of detecting gods?
The same reason humanity can never know what's beyond the uncertainty principle, can never measure anything smaller than Planck's length, etc. Our knowledge of this universe is limited forever, demonstrably so. Our knowledge of the gods, a fortiori, certainly won't lift off the ground.
(November 22, 2020 at 6:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Sure, maybe Mormonism was not the best example to use.
But that doesn't change the fact both religions make the same unevidenced claims for their prophet.
It's not clear what would convince an atheist of a prophecy to begin with. Any serious discussion about some particular claim made by a prophet can't be carried out, I think, without presupposing the existence of god.
(November 22, 2020 at 6:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: I never said I reject all inference. We live our daily lives on inference and induction.
There are great reasons to infer other minds exist.
And what are these great reasons for infering so .....?
Whichever they are, what would they yield to if applied to the universe and all forms of life around you?
(November 22, 2020 at 6:32 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: The bolded part above is far from the only explanations, or hanging point. False dichotomy.
If I see Moses' staff in action, explaining it via a miracle would not even enter my mind.
I would accept that I experienced seeing the staff turn into a snake, but there are many other explanations to account for it, than a miracle.
And in this case, what kind of stimuli, experience, etc. would possibly make you think seriously of a miracle..?
(November 22, 2020 at 9:39 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: 1-3 are active areas of research
Of course they are. Meanwhile you believe in them anyway.
You believe in the existence of other minds, an unsettled philosophical issue. Why ?
Now apply your same reasons to believe so to the larger set of the universe and creation.
(November 22, 2020 at 7:40 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It doesn’t matter to you that your method for determining whether or not a god exists is neither consistent nor reliable? That’s...telling, lol.
Chances are you don't even understand my "method". Inference to the best explanation is a mental process we rely on everyday, which atheists dishonestly disable when dealing with appearances of design .