Pyramid of Capitalism

[reverendjeremiah]

And really, how do you expect for technology to progress if there is no funding?
Who will fund technology? You?

If I had an equal portion of the pie?
YES
I would also be a member of the electrical syndicate, which would mean that I would directly and actively be cooperating with other members of the same syndicate, and other syndicates to create new technology. I would have an equal share in all technological gizmos that you love to play with, and would work to build them.

Why is that hard for you to understand?

the word "funding" would have no meaning in a syndicalist system though, as money would be abolished. A syndicate is almost always NON-capitalist.

Well, we all enjoy technology. However without funding, technology won't really progress more than it has now.

Necessity is the mother of invention, not funding. You have been duped into the monetary system and believing that it is necessary for human progress even though it is directly responsible for poverty.

Mercenaries are guns for hire. However, they are guns for hire. They are not loyal to any governments, people, or anyone besides their own pockets.
You expect such people to guard your property and lives?

First off, I said I dont trust mercs. I was merely using them as an example that military and government can exist without each other,

Second, Syndicalists believe that property is theft. Why would they hire guards to watch their property when they think that way? Why would I also hire guards to watch something that everyone else equally owns? As far as my life... I have crossed nobody. capitalists require guards because they fuck people over all the time. A syndicalist is open armed. "Do you need food? Here, have some of mine." Why would I need guards in a syndicalist majority nation? Why would there be so much stealing in a nation where everyone owns an equal share of the pie? Why cant you understand this?

Military is not simply military. My military is made up of my own people. Not by anyone elses. And those are the only ones I'd ever trust.

I work with the military on a day to day basis, and I have even worked with NATO. Military has its own agenda and rules regardless of wether a government or state exists. why cant you understand this? If the american government fell to shit, the millitary could easily take over. Some citizens say the military has already taken over, since they make up the vast majority of our economy. I tend to agree with them. Its hard to hide that in a capitalist system, that the majority owners/controlers of wealth are the rulers.

And they worked towards the goal of setting up a government themselves.
Because they too knew that without governance, nothing will work in the first place.
They also wrote a bill of rights, amendments and etc, important documents that govern your law and governance even today.

Really? You knew what they were thinking back then? You must be a powerful psychic to read the minds of thousands of dead people from 200 years ago.

Tell me... what am I thinking right now?

They also bickered like hell over those bill of rights, and many of them distrusted each other in congress from what I have read from their autobiographies. It is also known that they boarded up the windows of the building they discussed their new found government in that was supposed to be "for the people, by the people." Benajmin Franklin wasnt trusted by anyone to be by himself, so he was spied upon because he openly spoke of what went on behind those borded up windows. And how about those slaves they all owned. Sure. those laws really helped those law makers get more wealthy didnt they?
Yeah. Just a handful of people come together representing everyone in the country. Sure... everyone agreed with them. Including the black people, women, non-christians, and the natives.

A cop might stop that person from firing a bullet however.
Like imagine yourself being raped. The rapist has a gun. No one comes to your help. However the police has to, because that's what they are for.
And again, these are the ones who bring offenders to justice.
Law and justice is the basis of property.
And the police are there to enforce it.

..and a spaceship may use its force fields to protect me from that bullet as well. You have WAY too much faith in the police. Ever seen a cop stand around and do nothing? ever seen a cop break the law? Honestly man, why do I even have to point this out to you.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but how old are you? Seriously, Im not trying to mock you. I just want to know your age.

And this is the reason you want to abolish laws and regulations?
I think this is only the case where laws and regulations are not properly enforced, or are being lax, because of the selfish interests of others, like yourself. I'm sure you would also give a blind eye to any companies that would stuff your pockets with the green.
Corruption occurs when people flaunt the law. However, removing the law does not make corruption less corrupt because it's not defined by a law anymore.

SELFISH?

Look man, if you are not going to pay attention to what I post then I will no longer discuss this with you. I have SEVERAL times posted that I believe that ALL people deserve an equal share of the pie. How is that selfish?

No, honestly. explain to me how that is selfish.

Maybe not me. But someone would. And without laws, government and any assorted things that make them reconsider each of their moves, who can say how they will behave.

Then you admit that someone would do these things regardless. Which means that government or no government it is going to happen regardless.

Did you remember that i said "equal share of the pie" when you made that? Or are you ignoring my posts?

Equal share? You think that you will have an equal share in a place with no law and order? You surely are delusional. Besides, what are you sharing, exactly? What is this pie you speak of? What are you trading?
What are you producing? What exactly is this pie?

After everything I have pointed out, including your blind faith in the police, you have very little ground to stand on calling someone delusional.
ALL property.
****Please pay CLOSE attention to me right now****
Property is theft.
Every human on this planet deserves an equal share of the planets resources along with the outcome of those resources.
There will ALWAYS be miscreants in society wether you have a government or not

However, the Nazis were aware of certain things like ethnic loyalties

...something you have expressed sympathies for. Syndicalists see ethnicity as a mere roll of the dice, something people cannot choose, and therefore a non-factor in societies determination.

And they built their country along these lines. And well, Germany did actually rise quickly after they gave the triple entente the finger.
This is because Germany was harmonized very, very quickly. A strict authority was set up, and the pure fire of nationalism too, drove people to work towards a common goal.

And they fell hard and fast as well. And yes they DROVE people in that direction. they FORCED them to do it.

I say again, if you arent willing to do it, then it is slavery.

If you are DRIVEN to do it, then you are not an individual. You are a puppet.

And in your world, there is no guarantee for anything. Not even for running water, electricity, or food in grocery stores.
There is only the most base law of nature.
What if I own large foodstocks with my family, and you are forced to buy them from me so you can survive? And you are compelled to work in slaving conditions in the business of another family, and buy scarce food from me for outrageous prices? Do you hope for the free market to do it's magic on them?

You didnt even read my examples of the syndicate did you? You are still using the words "buy", yet you speak of them as if they are in my world view. My world view has no want for money. How many times must I explain it to you?
I doubt I will respond to another post such as this. You have shown in this post that you didnt read and/or understand my last posts.

If you refuse to even read or understand what I post, then I will refuse to read and answer yours.