The absurd need for logical proofs for God

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

In short, the universe looks exactly as we would expect it to look if it were not designed.

[removed all the bits and bobs not part of Khloro's reply to me]

Do you really rethink this stuff before sending it,

Yes.  I've thought about it for years.

, or are you just interested in writing elegant sentences ?

I'm flattered that you find my sentences elegant. *goes all blushy*

You do realize that if you consider everything you see as not enough evidence for design, then nothing can possibly convince you of design, and your position becomes virtually unfalsifiable.

I don't see how that follows.  I'm saying that the appearance of the Universe is not evidence for design.  That doesn't mean I can't be convinced that I'm wrong, or that I'm unwilling to consider other lines of evidence.

If physical constants tuned to about 120 decimal places aren't enough evidence supporting design for your pathetic "standards of evidence", then your position really isn't an honest one.

Be honest yourself.  You pulled that '120 decimal places' out of your bum, didn't you?  You can say - we're all friends here.

But which physical constants do you mean?  If it's all of them, then you'll need to demonstrate that an infinitesimally different value for, say, the decay rate of cobalt58 would preclude the existence of the universe. If you mean only some of them, then you'll need to explain why the changes that HAVE occurred haven't destroyed the universe.

Furthermore, you can't possibly prove the negative assertion "the universe isn't designed", and thus you have zero observation of "undesigned universes", if such a thing exists.

I'm not asserting anything or attempting to prove anything at all. I'm saying that your claim that simple observation of the universe must directly lead to the conclusion that God exists is just bloody silly.

You are then asked to prove two things:

1/ That the set of "undesigned universes" is nonempty.

2/ That our observable universe belongs to this set.

See my previous comment.  I'm not making any claims about the design or non-design of the universe.  I'm saying that you (and I suppose Plantinga) need to do better.

Good luck.

You too.  I hope that infection clears up without surgery.

Boru