RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 26, 2020 at 5:44 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2020 at 5:46 pm by HappySkeptic.)
(November 26, 2020 at 2:08 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 25, 2020 at 4:58 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In short, the universe looks exactly as we would expect it to look if it were not designed.
Do you really rethink this stuff before sending it, or are you just interested in writing elegant sentences ? You do realize that if you consider everything you see as not enough evidence for design, then nothing can possibly convince you of design, and your position becomes virtually unfalsifiable. If physical constants tuned to about 120 decimal places aren't enough evidence supporting design for your pathetic "standards of evidence", then your position really isn't an honest one.
The fine tuning argument is an argument from ignorance. There is no reason to believe that all fundamental constants of nature are tunable. i.e., they may very well be required to be as they are, for reason's we haven't determined yet.
For instance, it has been said that the energy balance of the the big-bang had to be precisely tuned, or else the universe would've either flown apart, or collapsed under itself. However, I have seen theories that force that balance to be maintained. That dumps a few tens of digits from your fine tuning.
Moreover, if it were true that the universe has apparent fine tuning for the existence of life (not good for life because it isn't, just that life is possible), there are possibilities involving a multiverse, or even an evolution of physical laws. For instance, if baby universes form from large black holes, and each universe has slightly different properties than the parent, we get natural selection of laws that favor the ability to form large black holes.
The nature of physical laws is a great unknown. The nature of time itself is a mystery.
But, there is no mystery that is solved by invoking an all-powerful being. That would just be begging the question for how that being came to be. Also, we could never know the existence of such a being unless it interacted with the physical universe in ways that could be tested. If it doesn't, I might as well say that magic created the universe, or that nothingness was a contradiction and this led to something.
Nothing that we are ignorant about is better explained by invoking an anthropomorphic being that wants our worship. To me it is a non-sequitur.