(November 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(November 26, 2020 at 6:05 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote: Beauty has NOTHING to do with design or fine tuning. Beauty is a human response to certain sensory inputs and patterns. It is in the eye of the beholder, and not something objective.
Is the existence of love, pleasure, pain evidence of design? No, they are responses that humans have evolved to experience.
Evolution says that the world wasn't designed for us, but rather we evolved to be a part of the world.
I believe that a firm grasp of science is the most instructive element to a religious understanding. Read a book on evolution sometime. I highly recommend Richard Dawkins' "The Greatest Show on Earth".
For the gazillionth time, evolution doesn't explain away fine-tuning. You can describe all the processes you want that led to what we see, that doesn't negate a designer who intended all along for the universe to devolve into its present form -through these processes.
Are you saying that humans (and other mammals) were designed? If so they were designed badly, who would design an organism with a common opening for breathing, feeding, drinking and speaking, that's a stupid design. Even with something as simple as a car has different openings for water, fuel, oil etc.
The meek shall inherit the Earth, the rest of us will fly to the stars.
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups
Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!
Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups
Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!