RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 26, 2020 at 6:55 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2020 at 6:57 pm by The Architect Of Fate.)
(November 26, 2020 at 6:48 pm)HappySkeptic Wrote:Also, evolution doesn't try to explain away so-called " fine-tuning" and evolution renders the unfounded idea of design redundant. Nor is evolution devolving that's just silly. His response is just a bunch of empty assertions and a heaping helping of personal credulity. All of which is worthless.(November 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: For the gazillionth time, evolution doesn't explain away fine-tuning. You can describe all the processes you want that led to what we see, that doesn't negate a designer who intended all along for the universe to devolve into its present form -through these processes.That post was about beauty, not fine tuning. You stated that beauty was evidence of design, which it most certainly isn't.
But yes, evolution does answer some fine-tuning arguments, but certainly not all. For instance, life in some radically different form could exist with some physical constants being quite different. What that exact set of life-allowing constants is, we don't know, but life in some form might exist in a universe that was different from ours.
Life evolves to fit the universe -- the universe isn't designed to make a particular form of life.
If your belief in God is founded on the fine-tuning argument, you may find yourself disappointed one day. You should read the opinion of actual scientists, such as Sean Carroll. He has a nice debate on Youtube with William Lane Craig, and while both perform well, Carroll clearly makes the better case.
(November 26, 2020 at 6:40 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote:Evolution renders the unfounded assertion of a designer redundant. He may not accept that. But who cares.(November 26, 2020 at 6:15 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: For the gazillionth time, evolution doesn't explain away fine-tuning. You can describe all the processes you want that led to what we see, that doesn't negate a designer who intended all along for the universe to devolve into its present form -through these processes.
Are you saying that humans (and other mammals) were designed? If so they were designed badly, who would design an organism with a common opening for breathing, feeding, drinking and speaking, that's a stupid design. Even with something as simple as a car has different openings for water, fuel, oil etc.
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