RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
November 29, 2020 at 1:23 am
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2020 at 1:28 am by The Architect Of Fate.)
(November 29, 2020 at 12:47 am)Paleophyte Wrote:Hilarious how he accuses people of arguments from ignorance when that's his whole case. Not to mention if we're not allowed to call I stupid he's not allowed to call it useful either. But note he never actually comes up with a reason those things are useful anyway, And indeed why does god need physical constants? Those only make sense in a universe that has to be a certain way. A god could simply will the universe to work regardless.(November 28, 2020 at 3:41 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Many things that were thought to be useless or "stupid" in our body turned out to have a role. Calling an organism "stupid design" is an outright appeal to ignorance, where you simply don't know why things are designed the way they are, but still insist they're stupid.
We know what endogenous retroviruses (ERV) are. They're not simply useless, they're downright dangerous. Kindly explain why we have them. While you're at it, explain why we have 99% of the same ERV that chimpanzees do. In the same locations, with the same mutations, and the same LTR lead-ins and lead-outs.
Quote:Again, you have zero observation of undesigned things. How exactly, then, do you make the difference between designed and undesigned things -without, of course, restricting the scope of design to human machines.
Argument by assertion. How novel. How utterly wrong. As you stroll along William Paley's beach you'll notice a pocket watch and go, "Wow! That must have been designed!" You'll ignore all the sand and pebbles and waves because your brain recognizes them as lacking either function or design.
(November 28, 2020 at 5:06 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I think it’s more fair to say that we have observations of designed things and observations of things which may or may not be designed.
No, we have reasonable observation of things that lack design. Design is based upon efficient function. Anybody arguing from inefficient function is arguing for an incompetent Designer. Unless god has a penchant for entropy and black holes this universe is exceptionally poorly designed.
(November 28, 2020 at 3:41 pm)Klorophyll Wrote: Even if something explains 100% why physical constants are the way they are, chances are the explanation itself will contain aspects of fine-tuning...
The argument from fine-tuning is self-defeating. What competent Deity uses physical constants in the first place?
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