[Serious] What God's justification for eternal torment?

[Confused-by-christianity]

Do you think that there's no way to know...

I haven't studied epistemology that much.  Have you?
What do we know and how we know it?  
What are the different kinds of knowledge?  
What's the basis of our knowledge?  
All good questions.  
I find myself asking - If there is a way to "know" God exists, what would that be like?
Would we die and just see God with eyes and hear God talk?  
Would that be enough?  
Wouldn't there be other explanations for what I'm experiencing?  
Would I be absurd to deny my experience?  What's more absurd - that I die and God is chatting to me - and it's real / or that it's all made up in my imagination?  

or no way for you personally to know...

I have satisfied my self that my own experiences with God were real.   

which, if any of these guesses is accurate, or more or less accurate, than another?  More or less probable, plausible, desirable, moral?  

I don't know (again). haha
I'll have to wait and see if I'm right.  (or not).

If it's a black box I have to wonder what made you come up with these specific things, 

I don't know (again) what a black box is.
I listened to people who say they had a near death experience.  One person in particular said he was taken to a "life review".  He said he was watching his life take place in front of him but he could also feel how his actions had impacted others.  He said the angels and Jesus were there with him watching as well - sharing their feelings with him on the matter.  That's where part of the guess I made came from.

and if it's not a black box - then I see no reason why a person would have to die before answering any or all of those questions.  The faithful obviously haven't - it's a proviso that only seems to turn up when they consider that their beliefs may be wrong..and I suspect it's more about shielding them from being proven wrong than it is about a dry appraisal of the possibility of knowledge.

Are you saying some faithful people use copouts when they can't explain something?
If so, yeah, that probably happens.
People often get caught up in arguments and screw it up !!  They do all sorts of things when they get emotional - like defend a position they don't actually believe, or defend a position that isn't what they intended to say in the first place, or try to outsmart someone ??!!??  
Sometimes sell off an opinion as a fact etc etc  people are like that I guess.
Probably should get more used to sticking to the basics...If you don't know - say so.  If you do know - qualify what you mean by "knowledge" and then explain it if asked.  Also, people don't have to prove their belief in God or their belief that there is no God, unless they are trying to persuade someone else.

I suspect that we have different commitments and criteria for knowledge - as you're yet to suggest something which would be unknowable in principle or in practice, in this life, as I see it.

   
Probably true about criteria.  Commitments - If I knew God didn't exist I would not continue believing in God (is that what you mean by commitments?)  
  
G2G - Sorry for half cut off replies (does anyone else read these monster rambles??!! haha)