RE: What will win the god wars? Faith, Fantasy, Facts, or God?
December 10, 2020 at 3:44 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2020 at 3:52 pm by Greatest I am.)
(December 10, 2020 at 1:42 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: They could do better, I agree....but this agreement is premised on a course of universal right action
In a chaotic world and universe, a universal right action may not be possible.
Set and setting are always a factor. I read of a tribe where the women are expected to accept more than one husband and marry brothers. They think it moral while most would not, but if they did not do what they do, an overabundance of randy males would make everyone's life miserable in that tribe.
I argue that there are no universal objective moral tenets. The best candidate to date has been empathy and I am waiting for an answer to an objection that I gave the other poster. I am on the fence till the reply pushes me one way or the other.
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DL
(December 10, 2020 at 1:53 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Both 1Beating women is bad and 2Beating women is good are moral claims.
They are claims on the moral nature of an act. This is what it means to say that christianity, as a religion, is united in a moral whole.
More like an immoral hole, given the macro moral/immoral policies they promote.
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DL
(December 10, 2020 at 1:46 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(December 10, 2020 at 1:25 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: I do not see my morality as absolute. As a perpetual seeker of the best rules and laws to live by, I am always open to new and better ways.
Most moral tenets are subjective, not objective.
The religious homophobia and misogyny is demonstrably going against the Golden Rule that religions say they go by. That makes their ways immoral.
Christians and you here, disagree but cannot do apologetics to justify their position.
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DL
If you don’t see your own moral tenets as absolute then you have no basis for calling anyone else’s tenets immoral.
I’m not a huge fan of the Golden Rule.
I’m not attempting to ‘justify’ anything at all, especially not the Christian views on women and homosexuals. What I’m trying to do is get you to understand that by making moral claims - even claims you and I disagree with vehemently - Christianity IS moral. Making moral claims is the only qualification required to be moral. It doesn’t even matter if those moral claims are justified or justifiable, just that they are made.
Boru
Making moral claims is the only qualification required to be moral.
That is B.S.
Satan makes moral claims.
If the Golden Rule is not your first moral tenet, as it is with the 70 odd % majority, what are your first few lead off moral tenets?
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DL
