[Serious] What God's justification for eternal torment?

[Confused-by-christianity]

Would we die and just see God with eyes and hear God talk?  

Spirit eyes and spirit ears, presumably - but it seems like that would be enough, right?  We refer to that sort of stuff all the time.

Maybe it takes time to evolve that kind of sense and intellect.  Maybe the more you evolve spiritually the more you see.

Would I be absurd to deny my experience?

Mostly, it seems so.  We refer to them routinely and it was an experience that convinced you that god was real.  

Yeah - experience is important.  Something within me has to interpret it and frame it some way or another.  Here - there is room for an error or misinterpretation, but broadly speaking - experience is very important (to me).

I'll have to wait and see if I'm right.  (or not).

-and that's where we differ. 

I don't think that you have to, because...as we've seen (lol) we both refer to what we can see and hear, to experience, to answer questions in this life.  Are there things about this life that we can see and hear - are there experiences in this life which provide the basis for rational conclusion about it?  Things like whether or not it's a soul forge, or..if it were, what kind of a forge it is?

I'm referring to perfection.  Some things you might "know" now and then find out later on that you were wrong. 

  

I don't know (again) what a black box is.
I listened to people who say they had a near death experience.  One person in particular said he was taken to a "life review".  He said he was watching his life take place in front of him but he could also feel how his actions had impacted others.  He said the angels and Jesus were there with him watching as well - sharing their feelings with him on the matter.  That's where part of the guess I made came from.

It's interesting how well reported ndes align with the cultural expectations of those reporting the stories.  The life review made for a watchable movie.  

They share some things in common across cultures. 
I guess it's fair to think that God would talk to us in a way that we can just about understand.  Perhaps even slightly beyond our current comprehension (so we have to strive / grow to understand it?).

Are you saying some faithful people use copouts when they can't explain something?
If so, yeah, that probably happens.
People often get caught up in arguments and screw it up !!  They do all sorts of things when they get emotional - like defend a position they don't actually believe, or defend a position that isn't what they intended to say in the first place, or try to outsmart someone ??!!??  
Sometimes sell off an opinion as a fact etc etc  people are like that I guess.

I'm not overly concerned with theists being incapable of explaining this or that in context.  I'd focus more on the private and intimate aspect of it, rather than any accusation that they were doing something to other people.  Trying to outsmart them or get one over on them.  If anything, they're trying to get one over on themselves.  

You think (some) theists deceive themselves?

In many cases, a person suggesting the impossibility of knowledge is, themselves...convinced - and convinced by the same sorts of things that we all refer to for all of our other knowledge about every other thing.  Open to the idea of things which might give the belief the possibility of being a provably true statement.  They're merely closed to, unfamiliar with, or had never considered the possibility of it being a provably false statement.

You're saying, some people, instead of just saying a thing is proven false - they prefer to say it is impossible to know?  And so deceive themselves deliberately / subconsciously?

A defense mechanism for cherished beliefs supported by a collaborating culture.  We can see the latter half above in another posters response - the notion that because people can come up with a bajillion gods, gods can never be proven false.  People can come up with a bajillion answers to the question of 2+2, as well.  Doesn't affect the provability or falsifiability of a given answer.  If we can't know, it isn't on account of how many gods people can imagine - but theists and atheists alike have been bombarded with statements like that equally for all of our formative years.  It becomes an agreed upon fiction between people who, otherwise, might not agree on anything else god-related.

I'm not sure I've understood everything you've said correctly and so not sure if I've responded appropriately.

For instance here - I think you're saying that - in the absence of knowledge, people agree amongst themselves, to believe a thing in common.  ?? 

Anywho - thanks for the chat - good talk, maybe catch you in another thread (likely, but i can't know for sure??!!  even if it's your picture and username responding how would I know that it........... ;-)  JK