RE: The absurd need for logical proofs for God
December 17, 2020 at 7:54 pm
(This post was last modified: December 17, 2020 at 8:52 pm by R00tKiT.)
(December 17, 2020 at 7:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: I'm not claiming that universe is supposed to be perfect, (although the question remains "How do you know your God-designer is perfect?")
Okay. You make it look like you do, though. And I already answered your question : we have perfect stuff in this world, and I gave laws of physics as an example.
(December 17, 2020 at 7:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: but that there is no evidence for the designer because so called design fails, and it fails more than it works, like that 70% pregnancies don't come to full term but end instead.
And are you sure that all these pregnant women's lifestyle, age, eating habits, and countless other factors, do not play any role at all in increasing the likelihood of miscarriage ?
(December 17, 2020 at 7:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Now, you can make endless excuses for why that is so, like maybe God gets drunk and he makes mistakes, or some kid takes his magic wand and plays with it - but those are just speculations based on your wishful thinking that don't prove there's God
The arguments for God ,like the telological that I am defending here, are independent of the amount of the evil, you're just not thinking straight now. It's entirely possible to reconcile evil with the existence of God.
So, recall the following:
1/ We first prove the existence of God. Independently of any aspect of evil.
2/ We reconcile some of the properties of God with the existence of evil.
You can't interchange these steps or eliminate one of them.
It's already known that evil, even in its most extreme form, doesn't logically contradict omnibenevolence, given that there is an infinitely good/bad afterlife.
(December 17, 2020 at 6:20 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: @Klorophyll You're wrong, I'm right. deal with it.
RAmen.
Whatever you say.