The absurd need for logical proofs for God

[Angrboda]

If you can't tell the difference between design and no design, you've got no basis to claim anything we don't know for a fact was designed, was designed. Especially things for which we understand the natural processes that result in them which don't require a conscious designer pretty well.

I think you misunderstood my answer. The usual meaning of design is vacuous. There is only created matter -or matter that was always there, if you have a problem with the word created-, things that we call "designed" are combinations of this same matter, which clearly doesn't belong to us.

A verse in the Qur'an mirrors this meaning : (49-4): Do ye see what it is ye invoke besides Allah. Show me what it is they have created on earth.

So, it's not really a problem of telling the difference of design and non design, it's about whether anything is actually designed.

I should presume that you think a tree is not designed. Why do you consider it so? It serves some sophisticated functions, like absorbing pollutant gases. Are you restricting design to human design ? If so, then your definition is discriminatory to begin with. If not, then literally everything out there is design, in other words, design simply means existence.

Creation doesn't necessarily indicate design. If it does, then your concept of design is also vacuous. In that case "design" is not a property, and your entire argument collapses. You're anthropomorphizing your god, which IIRC, is a no-no in Islam. (ETA: It also occurs to me that God didn't create anything either, but simply converted his potency into matter. Without the raw material of God's potency, there would be no matter. So nothing is created and one way or another, everything, whether God or the universe, were just eternally existing things under this view. So you've essentially eviscerated both the concept of design, and your god's claim to any obligation from us or rights he has toward us. Allah is just another cog in the machine that is everything.)