(December 28, 2020 at 12:33 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:(December 28, 2020 at 12:19 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: If you can't tell the difference between design and no design, you've got no basis to claim anything we don't know for a fact was designed, was designed. Especially things for which we understand the natural processes that result in them which don't require a conscious designer pretty well.
I think you misunderstood my answer. The usual meaning of design is vacuous. There is only created matter -or matter that was always there, if you have a problem with the word created-, things that we call "designed" are combinations of this same matter, which clearly doesn't belong to us.
A verse in the Qur'an mirrors this meaning : (49-4): Do ye see what it is ye invoke besides Allah. Show me what it is they have created on earth.
So, it's not really a problem of telling the difference of design and non design, it's about whether anything is actually designed.
I should presume that you think a tree is not designed. Why do you consider it so? It serves some sophisticated functions, like absorbing pollutant gases. Are you restricting design to human design ? If so, then your definition is discriminatory to begin with. If not, then literally everything out there is design, in other words, design simply means existence.
(December 28, 2020 at 12:20 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: If your wonderful god could fix it and doesn't then he does not deserve to be worshipped
If God fixes every tiny virus out there this world will simply be heaven. The theistic god doesn't intend for this life to be heavenly. So your objection doesn't make sense.
I see nothing in this god that makes it worth worshiping, he may as well not exist (probably does not exist anyway!)
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Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups
Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in mud ..... after a while you realise that the pig likes it!