Are religions that preach inequality for women and gays, traitors to their country?

[The Grand Nudger]

Not when you see Jesus as just a mantra to gain gnosis and use him the way the scribes want us to.

Moral jesus as metaphoric christ. A superstitious belief.  

Do you see Buddhists as believing in the way Buddha taught as their believing in superstition and the supernatural when they do not believe in such things, given that Buddha is just a man and not a god?

Buddhists hold a great many superstitious beliefs, yes.  

Do you believe in meditation?

Meditation exists, no belief is required.  

You are correct on belief in a moral Jesus if you are looking at the Roman construct.

There is no way that that Jesus ends in being moral, given the Armageddon genocide he promised to use when he returns.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

Again, calling something roman does not rise to the level of rational criticism. Promising armageddon isn't the only questionable item in the narrative.

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For convenience and clarity, proceed on the assumption that, in my opinion, nothing that anyone has ever written on any cave wall anywhere about anything determines any moral fact of any matter.

That -all of that- is completely irrelevant to the subject of moral fact right on it's face, and any belief to the contrary will very likely be regarded by myself as deeply superstitious thinking. No "but my scribes in my magic book from my true religion say" argument will be compelling to me, because no such argument can manage to be relevant in the first place. Nothing about the facts of any of your superstitions, true or false, or of the others guys being false as you contend or true as they contend, have any effect on any moral position I would recognize.

Even in the impossible event that you all managed to agree on some set of moral claims that accommodated all of your various religious beliefs and superstitions - that would still fail to resolve a single iota of moral import for me. In my opinion, all of you are looking for something in a place that it cannot be found, even when we assume that place actually exists - which I very much don't, lol, and especially if we assume the thing itself exists, which I very much do.

Put much, much more simply, it isn't because either of you have gotten your religion wrong that you've gotten your morality wrong - quite the reverse. As a demonstration of that, I'll refer you to the attempt in thread to weakly peddle natural law™ and eternalism in the same manner to the same end, just pointed at different people.