(June 16, 2009 at 4:39 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 16, 2009 at 4:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Your argument holds true from a scientific perspective, which is all you will consider, dismissing theology with science as you do. A person who cannot dismiss theology rationally, such as myself, because I understand science to be limited to describing the physical universe, has to consider God's existence.
OK .. explain how someone coming from an entirely different POV (such as Buddhism) can be considered as having the same philosophy as me.
Firstly, I don't understand Buddhism (much beyond the very basic). Secondly, did I say that or did you? (just asking). The Buddhists philosophical stance is one of no God, but a spiritual reality.. right? The difference isn't as clear as between theist and atheist - these are bare assertions, whereas Buddhism is a specific set of assertions much like Christianity is. Science isn't a specific set of philosophical assertions. As Richard Dawkins says, to science, theology isn't a subject.
(June 16, 2009 at 4:39 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:(June 16, 2009 at 4:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't think it's scientific philosophy resulting in atheism. I think it's scientific method resulting in the philosophical stance of atheism. But perhaps that's just splitting hairs.
I think it's more than simply splitting hairs because it's wrong ... you see what you and Dagda don't seem to get is that if the scientific evidence indicated the existence of a god I would become a theist (granted I would not, probably could not, worship but I would believe).
Scientific proof of God is theoretically impossible, so that's horribly wrong. As above, I need to be convinced that Science is a philosophical stance. At present I just don't see it (see reasons above).
(June 16, 2009 at 4:39 am)Kyuuketsuki Wrote:Well that seems very weird to me that you can understand/ claim that science is a philosophy along with Buddhism and Christianity.(June 16, 2009 at 4:18 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I can easily consider atheism a path. You guys seem to be saying as much using other words. I think it's more what you would consider vile connotations associated with calling it a path that you have a problem with. I can see why you don't like it in other words.
I don't agree because, as I've said before, both atheism and theism are labels ... specific philosophies lead people to atheism (science, Buddhism even communism maybe) and specific philosophies lead people to theism (Christianity, Islam, Judaism). I'm genuinely surprised that you cannot see the difference ... I mean it's not even like I insist theism is (of itself) a philosophy.
Kyu
I just did a quick google and the answers.com dictionary definition of 'philosophy' states:
"Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods."
What do you think?