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Understanding transgenderism.
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RE: Understanding transgenderism.
(April 29, 2021 at 5:55 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(April 29, 2021 at 5:15 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Said it before, I'll say it again.  There is absolutely no doubt that gender is a manufactured construct which references a specific culture in a specific time at a specific place.

Gender as a concept was created as a way to carve nature at her joints. A way of dividing things up, precisely because there is more to one's sex than mere genitals. This "sex beyond genitals" is gender. As such you cannot understand gender without sex, because gender is nested in it. Gender is what sex does, what sex wears, how sex acts, how sex thinks, how sex appears. You cannot stop doing and displaying gender because you are a sexual being, and everything you do can be seen through the lens of sex. No society is required for gender to exist. A feminine male is still performing his gender, in the absence of any cultural feminine classification.

That said, yes, we agree that societies construct trends, roles, and expectations for either sex. And in so doing create prototype for femininity and masculinity. (Mostly as a consequence of how males and females are already behaving in that society.) Culture is important, but culture isn't where gender begins.
Gender isn't what sex does.  Gender is what a society says a sex should do.    Different societies, different notions of gender.  No society, no notion of gender.
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Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 26, 2021 at 8:23 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 26, 2021 at 8:24 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 26, 2021 at 8:28 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 26, 2021 at 8:29 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 26, 2021 at 8:31 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jackalope - April 26, 2021 at 6:04 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2021 at 7:04 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Peebo-Thuhlu - April 27, 2021 at 1:44 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 27, 2021 at 4:02 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 26, 2021 at 8:34 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 26, 2021 at 9:00 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 26, 2021 at 9:01 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 26, 2021 at 9:34 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 26, 2021 at 9:40 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 26, 2021 at 10:44 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Duty - April 26, 2021 at 9:04 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by zwanzig - April 26, 2021 at 9:17 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Rev. Rye - April 26, 2021 at 11:04 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2021 at 11:53 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Angrboda - April 26, 2021 at 12:01 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2021 at 12:08 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by downbeatplumb - April 26, 2021 at 12:39 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2021 at 12:43 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 26, 2021 at 3:21 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Abaddon_ire - April 26, 2021 at 5:47 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by arewethereyet - April 26, 2021 at 9:06 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Divinity - April 27, 2021 at 10:54 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 27, 2021 at 12:16 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 30, 2021 at 1:47 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2021 at 3:13 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 30, 2021 at 7:08 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - May 1, 2021 at 3:53 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by HappySkeptic - April 28, 2021 at 2:22 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 3:19 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 28, 2021 at 9:23 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 9:34 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 9:41 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 10:16 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 28, 2021 at 9:45 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 9:51 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 28, 2021 at 10:00 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 10:43 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 10:48 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 10:55 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 11:06 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 11:07 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 28, 2021 at 11:09 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Anomalocaris - April 28, 2021 at 11:10 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 28, 2021 at 11:11 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 11:13 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 28, 2021 at 11:17 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 11:22 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 28, 2021 at 11:23 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 11:35 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 28, 2021 at 11:38 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by arewethereyet - April 28, 2021 at 11:40 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 28, 2021 at 11:42 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 11:47 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 28, 2021 at 11:52 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 28, 2021 at 11:57 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 29, 2021 at 12:03 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2021 at 12:06 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Angrboda - April 29, 2021 at 10:07 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 29, 2021 at 10:28 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 29, 2021 at 10:44 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Angrboda - April 29, 2021 at 10:50 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 29, 2021 at 10:50 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 29, 2021 at 11:03 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2021 at 1:25 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 29, 2021 at 2:06 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 29, 2021 at 3:58 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 29, 2021 at 4:02 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 29, 2021 at 5:29 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 29, 2021 at 5:15 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 29, 2021 at 5:55 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2021 at 7:55 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Silver - April 30, 2021 at 1:15 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 30, 2021 at 1:52 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 30, 2021 at 2:42 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 30, 2021 at 2:53 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 30, 2021 at 2:58 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Angrboda - April 30, 2021 at 4:04 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by The Grand Nudger - April 30, 2021 at 3:14 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2021 at 3:17 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - April 30, 2021 at 3:37 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - April 30, 2021 at 3:42 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by HappySkeptic - April 30, 2021 at 4:04 pm
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Rev. Rye - May 1, 2021 at 4:37 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - May 1, 2021 at 7:55 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Angrboda - May 1, 2021 at 11:16 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - May 1, 2021 at 10:04 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by John 6IX Breezy - May 1, 2021 at 11:37 am
RE: Understanding transgenderism. - by Jehanne - May 1, 2021 at 2:20 pm

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