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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
(May 25, 2021 at 4:36 pm)Drich Wrote:
(May 24, 2021 at 9:37 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Jesus was executed for sedition against the Roman Empire for incitement of an altercation in the Jewish temple and his open belief in the demise of the Empire by an apocalyptic being from Heaven.  Jesus suffered, not for sinners, but solely due to his own criminal misconduct.

actually he wasn't. the washing of the hands of pilate showed that pilate nor the roman government had anything to do with Christ's death. Jesus was turned over to the will of the crowd.

Right, because Pilate's concerns for Jewish sensibilities are so well established in the other sources we have about him. Of course he caved in to the mob.  Angel

Tell me something, Drich. If you were writing a "Gospel" shortly after Rome ruthlessly had put down a violent Jewish rebellion, and your 'good news' was about an apocalyptic Jewish movement led by a Jewish charismatic figure who may or may not have made public pronouncements identifying himself a Messiah/king and that movement had been largely co-opted by Roman gentiles by the time of your writing . . . how would you have portrayed Pilate? The bad guy? 

Bad marketing.

Assuming there's a kernel of truth to any of the narratives surrounding the alleged crucifixion, I think it's not inconceivable that the Temple authorities may well have turned over this  troublemaker to the Romans. It was high festival, the city was packed, and the Temple authorities were on the hook for any signs of rebellion and civil unrest. Better the hick from Nazareth be made an example than let him run amok and cause even more trouble. As for Pilate, all he would have needed to hear was that Jesus thought himself to be the Messiah (or that enough people believed it of him), and the decision would have been quite easy to make. For all the hand-wringing and hand washing in the narrative, I doubt Pilate took longer than it would take to eat a sandwich to seal Jesus's fate.

I suppose you also think the two men said to have been crucified alongside Jesus were thieves.  Hehe
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims - by Crossless2.0 - May 25, 2021 at 5:30 pm

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