Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

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Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims

June 2, 2021 at 3:11 pm

(June 2, 2021 at 10:08 am)ronedee Wrote: ...No one human, is innocent of sin.

Sin is an imaginary crime against an imaginary victim.

Saying "I'm sorry, God; yes, I accept Jesus" does nothing to resolve a problem caused in the real world against a real victim. You must apologize and make restitution for what you've done, and the person you harmed is fully within their rights to refuse to forgive you.

I reject substitutionary atonement unconditionally.

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