RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 7, 2021 at 8:16 pm
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2021 at 8:43 pm by John 6IX Breezy.)
(June 7, 2021 at 7:57 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Sorry, late to the party in this convo, but I think Helios' point is that fertilization is one milestone in a series of milestones. It is preceded (and succeeded) by a number of necessary milestones which eventually ends up in an alive and birthed human.
You could wind the clock back to when the couple first locked eyes at the bar: if that never happened it would be just as detrimental to the child being born as would an abortion. I think we tend to put emphasis on fertilization (as humans) because that's the point when "the deed is done" from a human perspective. No more human work is (necessarily) required beyond that point. Nature takes care of the rest.
Again, sorry if this point was made earlier and I missed it, but I always saw fertilization --not as arbitrary-- but at least not "extra special" as some pro-lifers tend to see it. As far as the organism is concerned it's one thing (among many) which must happen for the organism to eventually be born.
Given that fertilization is the beginning of a new organism, I'm not sure how the preceding events have relevance? Whether those events involved sex, locking eyes, fertility clinics, or the vast array of colorful methods used by different species to bring gametes together, fertilization is the only necessary process by which a new organism is created. Likewise, the succession of milestones that occur after fertilization are highly variable. Development is the transformation of genotype to phenotype, which is as unique as the individuals themselves. The only constant variable across organisms is once again fertilization—the process by which your genotype is created and your developmental trajectory is initiated.
